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Kati Daffan

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44 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

It is absolutely an industry, a very complex, always evolving, very competitive industry.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

My name is Katie Daffin, and I'm an assistant director at the FTC's Division of Marketing Practices, which is where we really run the fraud program at the Federal Trade Commission.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

We are seeing such large increases in reported consumer losses to fraud.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

And the primary driver of that is with investment, romance and imposter scams.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

And so, Daffin estimates, in 2024, in the U.S., Between $31.3 billion and $195.9 billion was lost to fraud.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

If we make a really conservative assumption, we get $10.1 billion lost by older adults and $31.3 billion overall lost.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

But if we assume instead that what we're seeing in our database only reflects 2% of losses from consumers who lost under $1,000 and 6.7% of losses for consumers who lost $1,000 or more, that's when you get the estimated loss of $195.9 billion.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

It's really astronomical.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

We've been able to return billions of dollars to consumers over the years.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

The FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection has a number of different litigating divisions.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

There are folks who focus on privacy and identity protection, folks who focus on financial practices.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

The Division of Marketing Practices is focused on this more fraud and scam work.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

We always do our law enforcement.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

We always do policy work to try to make things harder for scammers.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

We're always trying to follow the scammers from one scam to the next.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

We can see sometimes how either the scammers who are on the fringes of something we just took down will go and start their own thing, or they'll team up with another company we've seen on the margins that is now scamming.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

stepping forward to fill a gap after we shut down a scam.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

But over time, one thing that we've had more and more success at doing is spurring industry to develop technological solutions to combat fraud.

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

I was involved in our first competition under the America Competes Act,

Freakonomics Radio
667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

where we were trying to address the proliferation of robocalls after the phone system merged with the internet to create that massive problem.

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