Katie Couric

extemporaneous situations, you know, I think that, and so, although, sorry about our interview.

I wasn't, I wasn't interviewing you to be funny.

We were talking about sort of a serious thing about sort of the, uh, atmosphere on college campuses and, uh, universities right now.

But, um,

I don't know.

Bill Clinton, I remember he wagged his finger at me when I really challenged him about something.

And I think it really depends on the setting and the tone of the discussion that you're having.

Barack Obama is an incredibly thoughtful, professorial interview.

And I would say he's on the cooler side.

I mean, very gracious and nice, but

You don't get the sense that he's trying to please you.

And so everybody is kind of different I think.

I do think that Clinton has that emotional intelligence that really helped him connect with an audience in a way that frankly Hillary Clinton didn't have as much, right?

It is hard because there's so much pressure, I think, to be kind of affable and likable.

And yet you have to be, you know, hopefully – well, you don't have to be apparently, but imminently qualified, right?

And so it is a very –

very tough thing, I think, for people to navigate.

I agree with you.

I want a leader to be hyper-intelligent, experienced, cool under pressure, and have some humanity, right?

But I don't want to necessarily have a beer with the president.