Katie Drummond

No.

How are people actually using it?

That is just a shocking amount.

We played a little bit of that tape of you giving this testimony in 2022.

And I want to back up to that.

You were invited to testify.

Which I think says a lot about sort of the expertise and the reputation you've built for yourself as a crisis actor and also a leading expert on the sort of real story, the underpinnings of what is actually happening in the crypto industry.

What is it like to get an invitation like that?

Is it a phone call?

Is it an email?

Like, how did you react to that invitation?

What did you think when that came up?

One of the observations that I have made many, many times around congressional testimony of this nature, when it's anything technology-related, you sort of sit and you watch and you listen.

And you look at the lawmakers who are listening, and you hear their questions, and you sort of think to yourself, like, oh, my God, how are we ever going to get anywhere?

And I say that with all respect to some of the political leaders of this country.

Some of them, not all of them.

But there is a troubling disconnect between often what is said and what is understood and then what is done.

When you walked out of that room that day and sort of in the ensuing weeks and months, did you feel like anything would materially change?

Do you feel like they actually understood what was happening and sort of what the stakes were?

Sure.