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Katie Ring

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338 total appearances

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Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

from family members and biographers that his grandfather was abusive.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So we have that conflicting thing.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

But when it comes to serial killers, we see a lot of abuse earlier in life.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

But on the other hand, there's a lot of people who have had and experienced much more severe abuse that haven't turned out to be serial killers.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

Most psychologists say that Ted Bundy showed strong signs of psychopathy.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

And one thing that's interesting is that researchers are now suggesting that traits of psychopathy actually have biological components, particularly in how the brain is wired.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So on one hand, we have people who have been severely abused in childhood who have not become serial killers or even violent.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

And on the other side, we do have psychopaths who have grown up in seemingly normal houses and have become serial killers.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So I believe that upbringing doesn't determine everything, but it can shape how traits unfold, like abuse, attachment disruption, identity confusion, and abandonment.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

can all impact development in meaningful ways.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So could a loving, stable household have changed his path?

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

Possibly, but the short and somewhat unsatisfying answer is that we'll never know.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So going back to psychopathy, many psychopaths actually have an unsettling ability to blend in.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So as children, a lot of them are looked at as weird or don't fit in.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

But over time, they're able to observe how people have interpersonal relationships and they can actually model that very well.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So even though they may not feel emotions deeply, they can perform them very convincingly.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

And a lot of them aren't just good at blending in.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

They are actually very charismatic, charming, and even magnetic.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So I think that's part of the reason Ted Bundy's story fascinated people so much.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

Because before cases like this, many people imagined serial killers as monsters or some like obvious weirdos.