Katie Smith

And I just wonder if they were not making the correct, the sensible decisions at times.

And on that point, actually, Vicky, we have seen England able to adapt to those situations, as Fran was saying before.

This idea of proper England, that mentality they came up with through tournaments to describe sometimes these pragmatic, gritty wins.

It didn't feel like they could ever even assert that style of football on the game today.

No, and I think Fran touched on it there.

I think the thing that stood out to me most in this defeat, which is the biggest defeat that England have suffered under Serena Vigman, was the level of individual errors across the park.

And I think that is just so hard for England fans to hear and to watch tonight and for the players as well.

I mean...

We praised England, and rightly so, for the way that they played against Spain less than two months ago at Wembley, where they got the early goal through Lauren Hemp, and every single player stepped up.

Lot of Ibn Mouy and Esme Morgan in that game, again deputising for the injured Leah Williamson, who wasn't available, the England captain again tonight, were colossuses at Wembley.

less than two months ago against this Spain side who again were very similar to the side that lined up against England at Wembley and tonight they look nervy they look shaky but it wasn't just them every single player it felt like in the first half was misplacing passes and the only ones that weren't were players that couldn't get on the ball and it was just it was such a strange performance from England given that they beat Spain so well at Wembley

less than two months ago, given that they beat Spain in the European Championship final, given that, as you say, Katie, they found so many ways to fight back when we thought that all was lost.

Michelle Agyemang again and again, penalty shootouts, late goals, taking games to extra time.

And they just didn't get to grips at all with any sense of doing that tonight.

And I think that will be hugely, hugely disappointing for Serena Wiegmann, for these players and for Spain.

You know, what a statement.

this is you know it it felt like this was a side who turned up with their world cup qualification hopes on the line as reigning world champions and came here to new yorker and said you know what we are going to show the world once more what we're about they were sublime they were nearly perfect in every single aspect and i think teams in brazil next year look it's not done yet we know it's not done yet it will go down to the final round of games

But if they get to Brazil and we expect that they will do, I think teams should be very, very fearful of Spain.

Do you think, Fran, that Spain did come into this game with a point to prove?

Because I know there's been a lot of, probably more jesting, light jesting in the media about revenge with these two sides and the to-ing and fro-ing of who's won what.