Katie Wu

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When you subscribe to The Atlantic, you'll be supporting this kind of journalism. You'll also enjoy new benefits just for Atlantic subscribers on Apple Podcasts. Think ad-free episodes of our shows and subscriber-only audio articles. To join us, go to theatlantic.com slash listener. That's theatlantic.com slash listener. If you're already a subscriber, thanks.

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You can head to The Atlantic's channel page on Apple Podcasts and start listening right now.

Hey there, I'm Claudina Bade, and I lead the audio team here at The Atlantic. I think a lot about what makes great audio journalism. It commands your attention, but isn't noisy. It brings you closer to the subject, but leaves room for you to make up your own mind. And when you hear someone tell their story in their own voice, you understand it in a deeper way.

Hey there, I'm Claudina Bade, and I lead the audio team here at The Atlantic. I think a lot about what makes great audio journalism. It commands your attention, but isn't noisy. It brings you closer to the subject, but leaves room for you to make up your own mind. And when you hear someone tell their story in their own voice, you understand it in a deeper way.

When you subscribe to The Atlantic, you'll be supporting this kind of journalism. You'll also enjoy new benefits just for Atlantic subscribers on Apple Podcasts. Think ad-free episodes of our shows and subscriber-only audio articles. To join us, go to theatlantic.com slash listener. That's theatlantic.com slash listener. If you're already a subscriber, thanks.

You can head to The Atlantic's channel page on Apple Podcasts and start listening right now.

Hey there, I'm Claudina Bade, and I lead the audio team here at The Atlantic. I think a lot about what makes great audio journalism. It commands your attention, but isn't noisy. It brings you closer to the subject, but leaves room for you to make up your own mind. And when you hear someone tell their story in their own voice, you understand it in a deeper way.