Katie Wu

Maybe they could have even been bad for parasites or viruses, which also have to have, you know, proteins and genetic material to function.

So even if it ends up not being TB specifically, or it ends up being TB, but also a bunch of other stuff, that still points to a possibility that infectious disease is what was kind of in the background making a bunch of us flush when we drink alcohol today.

Yeah, I mean, what I kind of love is that this story gives me a reason to be a little bit proud of this mutation, whereas I always had to be like...

Oh, yeah, I'm getting red again.

I'm sorry.

Like, I'm that person.

But you know what?

I feel like it's something that you can wear proudly as a badge from now on, if you choose to.

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