Katty Kay

That are viable and that can make it through Congress.

And to Trump's desk.

And to Trump's desk, exactly, which is just never going to happen.

Trump is never going to sign anything that comes out of a Democratic Congress in the next two years.

Look, the Trump people are smart.

They spent four years out of power drawing up a plan, a very detailed plan, Project 2025.

We all read it.

We didn't think it was all true, but they came in.

They may not hold it because a lot of the stuff they've tried to do in that has been overturned because it wasn't actually legal or constitutional, but they came in with a very detailed plan.

Democrats probably need to be spending these years out of office rather than complaining about redistricting or rather than just

complaining about Trump and coming up with a really good plan of their own.

So they have white papers or the equivalent of white papers on AI.

They have white papers on what that's going to do to your jobs, on retraining, on what you would do about gas taxes, even in normal times.

I just think they need to sound like they're a lot more solid on their policy ground.

At the moment, they're relying on abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson.

Exactly, exactly.

That's their policy paper.

We won't tell your mom.

It's OK.

Who's a fighter.