Katya Adler

And it isn't just sea passage trade, Tim, is it? I mean, Jonathan mentioned oil and gas, but there are other minerals on there, zinc, nickel, iron, and there's a worldwide race for those these days too.

And it isn't just sea passage trade, Tim, is it? I mean, Jonathan mentioned oil and gas, but there are other minerals on there, zinc, nickel, iron, and there's a worldwide race for those these days too.

It's warming up, as you're implying there from your tone, Tim, of course, in more than one way. And another way is what Russia is doing in its part of the Arctic, which has led to the Western Military Alliance, NATO, to say there's a real security threat building in the Arctic.

It's warming up, as you're implying there from your tone, Tim, of course, in more than one way. And another way is what Russia is doing in its part of the Arctic, which has led to the Western Military Alliance, NATO, to say there's a real security threat building in the Arctic.

It's warming up, as you're implying there from your tone, Tim, of course, in more than one way. And another way is what Russia is doing in its part of the Arctic, which has led to the Western Military Alliance, NATO, to say there's a real security threat building in the Arctic.

So Jonathan, what signs have there been in recent years that Russia has been trying to expand its dominance?

So Jonathan, what signs have there been in recent years that Russia has been trying to expand its dominance?

So Jonathan, what signs have there been in recent years that Russia has been trying to expand its dominance?

I found it very interesting traveling to Arctic countries, Finland, Sweden and Norway as well. The changing of attitude and the idea, particularly with Russia's neighbors, Finland and Norway, was manage the relationship with Russia. Don't antagonize Russia. However...

I found it very interesting traveling to Arctic countries, Finland, Sweden and Norway as well. The changing of attitude and the idea, particularly with Russia's neighbors, Finland and Norway, was manage the relationship with Russia. Don't antagonize Russia. However...

I found it very interesting traveling to Arctic countries, Finland, Sweden and Norway as well. The changing of attitude and the idea, particularly with Russia's neighbors, Finland and Norway, was manage the relationship with Russia. Don't antagonize Russia. However...

The full scale invasion of Ukraine really has changed these relationships, you know, in the Arctic and sort of in the West in general, isn't it? It's not a small thing for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. It's massive for those countries.

The full scale invasion of Ukraine really has changed these relationships, you know, in the Arctic and sort of in the West in general, isn't it? It's not a small thing for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. It's massive for those countries.

The full scale invasion of Ukraine really has changed these relationships, you know, in the Arctic and sort of in the West in general, isn't it? It's not a small thing for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. It's massive for those countries.

There is this question, isn't there, about it's chicken and egg. Is it NATO's expansion that makes Russia feel defensive? Is it Russia's expanding of its military, recommissioning old Cold War bases, for example, that's making the West feel that it needs to up its game? And we heard Canada's Defence Minister Bill Blair speaking to the BBC's Hard Talk programme in May.

There is this question, isn't there, about it's chicken and egg. Is it NATO's expansion that makes Russia feel defensive? Is it Russia's expanding of its military, recommissioning old Cold War bases, for example, that's making the West feel that it needs to up its game? And we heard Canada's Defence Minister Bill Blair speaking to the BBC's Hard Talk programme in May.

There is this question, isn't there, about it's chicken and egg. Is it NATO's expansion that makes Russia feel defensive? Is it Russia's expanding of its military, recommissioning old Cold War bases, for example, that's making the West feel that it needs to up its game? And we heard Canada's Defence Minister Bill Blair speaking to the BBC's Hard Talk programme in May.

Jonathan, how much of a change is that? Because, you know, on top of that, Russia will be watching Finland and Sweden, which, as we've said, has joined NATO, merging their air forces with Norway as well. I mean, it's a real regional bristling, isn't it?

Jonathan, how much of a change is that? Because, you know, on top of that, Russia will be watching Finland and Sweden, which, as we've said, has joined NATO, merging their air forces with Norway as well. I mean, it's a real regional bristling, isn't it?

Jonathan, how much of a change is that? Because, you know, on top of that, Russia will be watching Finland and Sweden, which, as we've said, has joined NATO, merging their air forces with Norway as well. I mean, it's a real regional bristling, isn't it?