Kay Murray

Maybe it can happen.

And of course, these fans will still be clinging on to the possibility that they go to Munich and they turn something around because Madrid tend to find a way sometimes, not all the time.

But the reality, which they see week in, week out, is this isn't very good.

I'll give you one example that really struck me tonight.

There was a period in the second half, quite late on, around about 70 minutes, more or less, where the Bernabeu started chanting, Now, I'm going to try and give you the polite version of that.

That's basically put your guts into this, you know, show some effort, fight for this.

And it's the most sort of, how do I put this?

It's the most simplistic, the most old fashioned, the most cliche chant there is.

Now, that's not a criticism of the Bernabeu.

For me, it's more that if a team as good in theory as Real Madrid, a club like Real Madrid, if they've reached the point where their stadium is basically reduced to saying, well, go on, try a bit.

I think they've got really big problems.

Right, well, Arbeloa had said in the pre-match press conference that he wasn't going to use this game to test things.

But he very clearly did, in my view.

Because if you're not using this game to test things, then Cermany starts.

The only reason to not start Cermany is to try something else in midfield.

And Arbeloa admitted it after the game, said...

I wanted to see Kamavinga as a number six.

I wanted to see him hold his position.

I wanted to see him to be able to close off the space.

And so I think what we saw from tonight suggests that Kamavinga and Bellingham play in the middle of midfield in midweek, not Valverde, which is one of the other options.