Keir Starmer

If we cannot as a nation hold on to a prime minister more than 18 months, then we have gone down a route where we don't really know how to get democratic stability or stable democracy back again.

And...

Exactly on the eve of the King's speech, exactly when you've got things to do and you've got two wars and you've got growing inflation and you've got people screaming because their lives are getting worse, not better.

Why on earth would you want to be part of another psychodrama which you had promised to end?

And I suppose, you know, from where he's standing, you can either say, well, it's deeply narcissistic not to go, or you can say it's the only responsible thing to do right now.

It's the only responsible thing to do.

Well, I guess this is the first time.

that a different party is in power.

And you're right.

You know, I think the point about Johnson and May and Truss was it was cumulative, right?

And Starmer would say they had 14 years, right?

They had 14 years and I've had one and a bit, one in 10 months.

So surely you just want to see what might happen.

Yeah, and I think that's why so much comes back to that line from Jess Phillips, who I have to say has made the case more eloquently than anyone I've really heard in the last week.

This idea of just choose an argument and have the argument.

She mirrors an FDR quote used by Josh Simons, another Labour MP at the weekend, who said, it's better to do something than do nothing.

And I think that's probably where we are now, you know,

As a nation, we need to see things shift and we need to see a passion and an argument and a communication of what that is now.

Don't say that.

We might be hostage to fortune.