Kelly Granat

I mean, it's probably Mark Zuckerberg.

I mean, it's probably Mark Zuckerberg.

Huge focus. Big bets. Willing to be wrong and pivot quickly when realizing that they are wrong. Meta. It's... Having, knowing when to be bold and when to be humble. Attracting, challenging, you know, motivating a really talented organization. And vulnerability.

Huge focus. Big bets. Willing to be wrong and pivot quickly when realizing that they are wrong. Meta. It's... Having, knowing when to be bold and when to be humble. Attracting, challenging, you know, motivating a really talented organization. And vulnerability.

I say all the time that, you know, What I can glean from a 30-minute interview is pretty limited in terms of someone's ultimate ability to do this job well. So that's why we have a summer internship program for MBAs, because it gives us kind of eight to 10 weeks to evaluate them and vice versa, right? To figure out if there's a fit, how this person works, how they think. So for me,

I say all the time that, you know, What I can glean from a 30-minute interview is pretty limited in terms of someone's ultimate ability to do this job well. So that's why we have a summer internship program for MBAs, because it gives us kind of eight to 10 weeks to evaluate them and vice versa, right? To figure out if there's a fit, how this person works, how they think. So for me,

I look for a couple things. It won't surprise you to hear that I love hiring competitive athletes who have competed at a high level. I don't care the sport. It could be an instrument. That's great, too. But people who understand hard work, failure, disappointment, achievement, what that all feels like to people who have had to juggle things in their lives. Right.

I look for a couple things. It won't surprise you to hear that I love hiring competitive athletes who have competed at a high level. I don't care the sport. It could be an instrument. That's great, too. But people who understand hard work, failure, disappointment, achievement, what that all feels like to people who have had to juggle things in their lives. Right.

So they had to work a couple of jobs while they were in college. They had some sort of misfortune in their life, you know. a relative, a sibling, or something that's happened to them that they've had to pick themselves up and work through. People who are interested in lots of things because they're curious, right? People who love to learn.

So they had to work a couple of jobs while they were in college. They had some sort of misfortune in their life, you know. a relative, a sibling, or something that's happened to them that they've had to pick themselves up and work through. People who are interested in lots of things because they're curious, right? People who love to learn.

That is ultimately, we said this earlier, like foundational, I think, for being successful in this job is never being complacent and thinking that you know more, but recognizing and being humbled by the fact that there's always more work you can do But the companion skill to that is knowing when you know enough to make a decision, right?

That is ultimately, we said this earlier, like foundational, I think, for being successful in this job is never being complacent and thinking that you know more, but recognizing and being humbled by the fact that there's always more work you can do But the companion skill to that is knowing when you know enough to make a decision, right?

Because I think you can get into analytical paralysis around like there's more to do, there's more to do, there's more to do, and like we're in the decision-making business, right? And so that balance of curiosity and pursuit of knowledge and learning and growth The self-awareness to admit when one is wrong, which is an incredibly important part of what we do.

Because I think you can get into analytical paralysis around like there's more to do, there's more to do, there's more to do, and like we're in the decision-making business, right? And so that balance of curiosity and pursuit of knowledge and learning and growth The self-awareness to admit when one is wrong, which is an incredibly important part of what we do.

And the willingness to take some level of risk or offer some kind of contrarian thinking that often can position us really well to make money.

And the willingness to take some level of risk or offer some kind of contrarian thinking that often can position us really well to make money.

It's so funny because the firms that we're always lined up against in the press are some of my closest friends. And none of us view it competitively at all. In fact, several former guests on your show are super close friends of mine. And... In some ways, I view our competition, honestly, as ourselves. Like we need to be better and do better.

It's so funny because the firms that we're always lined up against in the press are some of my closest friends. And none of us view it competitively at all. In fact, several former guests on your show are super close friends of mine. And... In some ways, I view our competition, honestly, as ourselves. Like we need to be better and do better.

And I think that's the bar we hold ourselves to is that we, you know, have the unique position of having been around for 27 years, which is increasingly rare in what we do. And obviously being a directional, fundamentally oriented person. Public equities firm with duration is increasingly rare at scale, I would say, relative to when I first started in the business.

And I think that's the bar we hold ourselves to is that we, you know, have the unique position of having been around for 27 years, which is increasingly rare in what we do. And obviously being a directional, fundamentally oriented person. Public equities firm with duration is increasingly rare at scale, I would say, relative to when I first started in the business.