Kelsey Hightower

It's all about the APIs.

And all of us come from the server world and everything's about an agent on a node versus the cloud starting to take over at this point, right?

Yeah, and we were trying to do this from a node.

We were trying to teach Puppet how to talk through by having this indirection where you have to go through a node to configure a server in the cloud.

It's so weird.

But then Terraform, Mitchell Hashimoto, right?

Like, he was a big part of the DevOps movement early too.

Then he was like, Vagrant was written in Ruby.

So he was part of that same ecosystem.

And then he splits off and there's this Go link.

I'm like, look at that.

They're using Go for this.

And I remember when Docker came out, Puppet at that time was the one pushing innovation.

We were asking people to think a little different, get out of their comfort zone.

And then Docker comes out, and most of the office was dismissing this as like, nope, this is a fad.

They don't even have config management in this thing.

They don't really understand enterprise.

This is just kind of, not like a toy.

They were not being disrespectful, but no one saw this as a challenger of what we were doing.

And I looked at it and I didn't get it immediately.