Kelsey Hightower

They could do that.

And in some cases, you end up with like five messaging systems.

But the thing is, what to build seemed to be the most pressing problem.

And so the one thing that I tried to do was like, how do you convince other engineers, you know, their manager, how do you get them to trust you?

And I started these empathetic engineering sessions where the first one was like, get the Kubernetes team in one room, all of them, engineering offsite.

I want you all to install Kubernetes, but you can't use any scripts.

And remember, some of them are distinguished engineers and principal engineers.

Some of them worked on Borg.

Some of them are just the original creators of Kubernetes itself.

And it was so fun to watch them struggle.

Because it's like, do we install Docker first?

What version of Docker?

Can we put this on Ubuntu?

Or does it need to be Red Hat?

And so an hour goes by, teams of four are like, nah, man, this doesn't work.

I was like, great, you all can stop.

I'm going to show you how I would do it.

And of course, I know how to do this because I get to prepare, right?

So not a knock against them.

I'm just like, all right, Debian, tune the kernel this way, put Docker on there, put etcd, put the API server, put all these things.