Kelsey McKinney
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Feb 2025
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So they call themselves the Bambis because they all have big eyes, which I think is incredible and beautiful. And I think they're also kind of playing a game where it's like everyone assumes we are dumb, right? And so that is like, we're just going to embrace that and that's fine.
What's funny, at least in the episodes that have aired when we're recording this right now, is Gabby's been right several times and then she's been talked out of it by other people, right? So that's kind of funny because I'm like, you need to trust yourself more, girl, right? Like you were on it and then someone was like, no, no, no, no, no, Gabby. No, no, no. You don't know anything.
And it's like, well... They're wrong. That person was wrong, which we can see as viewers. So I think alliances in general are really smart for gossip. This is part of why the Survivor players do so well is that when you are in an alliance, you can gather gossip and bring it together. And then you have more ears, right, which helps you make conclusions faster. And it also gives you a voting block.
Part of what all of these games require is knowledge of who's voting for what when you head into the roundtable, right? And you can see the survivor players doing that, right? They're circulating really fast to try and ask people like, what are you thinking? What are you feeling? And they're counting is what they're doing.
They're trying to be like, okay, so then how many votes do you need for a majority? And it's like, if you know that everyone's votes are split, then you need fewer votes to have a majority, right? And so I don't think the Bambis are doing that, like quite obviously. But I do think the Bambis are like vibes based. Like they're like, I'm getting a bad vibe from you.
And the thing is, in traders, that's equally as good information as anything else because you have no information. But it's mostly an exercise in groupthink, which is part of what I love about it. So it is intertwined with gossip why we love a show like Traitors, right? It's the same reason that you love a show like Survivor.
Like, the reason I titled that chapter Knowledge is Power is because there's an idol that exists in some seasons of Survivor where you can, if you have the Knowledge is Power idol, you can steal someone else's idol just by saying, I know that Rachel has an immunity idol. Right. And then you get to just take it.
And I think about that a lot about how like these games teach us to behave and how we watch them with the hope that if you know enough, you can control the future, right? Like we all watch the traitors and say like these idiots, right? If I were in there, I would do it totally differently. Yeah.
And the reality is, like, no, you wouldn't because you wouldn't know who the traitors are if you were in there. You would be in the same darkness as everyone else. And, like, that's a really fascinating aspect of the way that we talk about these games is we're trying to teach ourselves how to avoid these same fates.
Yeah, I think it is.
I personally love
Yeah, my first book was much smaller than this book, first off, right? I had a smaller advance. It was a debut novel. I didn't have nearly as big of a platform for it. And so I didn't really do any press for it. Like we got a couple of reviews and people read it and I was so happy about that. But I didn't do any interviews about that book, basically. maybe one or two here or there.
And it was also the summer of 2021. And so we were still not going anywhere. And so I kind of naively going into this book was like, no problem, right? Chill. I've done it before. I know how to play this game. Easy. And this is a totally different book, right? I've been doing tons of interviews because...
As we know, the topic of gossip is one that almost everyone wants to talk about almost all the time, which is great.
I'm really grateful to have done it, but it means that I have been in the mines and trapped away from you, doing interviews and preparing stuff and making a tour run of show and all of these little pieces that I think feel really separate from the writing of the book, which is really interesting because I think when you think about creative careers...
And when you don't have one, you think about output, right? We think about like how many podcasts come out. You don't think about all the stuff that goes in before you get to do that. And so in a book, it's kind of the opposite, right? You spend all of this time making the product.
And then once the product is done, you have to completely pivot into just pitching it, which is a totally different skill.
It's funny you say that because I don't know that I knew that before I published my novel. Like, I don't know that I ever read a novel except for maybe, like, the – Mm-hmm. And I would tell people like, well, none of it is true. And also like all of it is true. I've had every emotion in that book. Right. And so at an emotional level, it's real.
In terms of the events, none of it's real, which is, I think, really complicated. Like it feels uncomfortable to be made to feel something based on nothing. Right.
I think they're less personal, honestly. I think a lot of the questions I got asked about the novel were personal questions. It was about my upbringing, my experience, like that kind of stuff. Whereas with the gossip questions, we have been talking more about gossip as a construct. It's unclear to me, though, if that's like – just because it's hard to interview someone about fiction, right?
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