Kelsey McKinney
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607 appearances
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Feb 2025
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Definitely not. No way. I don't offer myself like any ounce of grace that exists in the world. I would love to come on here and lie and be like, yes, I've become very good at giving myself rain. No, I have infinite amounts of empathy for other people. For myself, nada, nothing. And that's beautiful. It's beautiful that you know that.
Yeah, that's fair. It's not even necessarily the actual act of gossiping and the judgment of that is what like reveals something about you. It's also the kinds of gossip you want to talk about, right? Like I noticed this especially in talk therapy where like I'll bring something up and my therapist will be like, why are we talking about this?
And I'm like, well, I just thought it was really interesting. And she'll push on that, right? I'm like, but why? Why do you think it's so interesting? What is it that's like catching on you, like snagging? And I think that that is like also true. The stories that you instantly want to turn around and tell someone are ones that often say something about you.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
So I want to say if I'm thinking about gossip as a tool that we use, right, that can be used for good or evil or neutral, then I think most often what I'm talking about is either the person who's telling the gossip, right, who is like bringing something with an intention, right? Right. I feel like I say this all the time when people are like, how do you know if you're gossiping badly?
Like, how do you know if you're being malicious? And I'm like, you know in your body, dude, right? Like you can feel it when you're like intentionally going after someone who maybe doesn't deserve it. And in that case, I would say like that is gossip being used as a tool for evil, right? Or for malicious intent, right? But I also think there is a secret third thing, which is your society's morals.
Gossip is used to enforce whatever we decide as a society is valuable to us. And so if that's something innocuous, like... We decide that we hate it when people wear the color purple, right? We will gossip about people who wear it to try and keep them from not doing it, to try and sanction them back into the correct behavior.
And so I think there is, of course, individual agency in how you're using gossip, but there is also this greater umbrella that we exist in, which is like, what do we say our culture believes in? Which we don't all get an equal share of say in.
Yeah. Or even conspiracy at that point.
A conspiracy theory is like a gossip that flows too close to the sun, right? And so it's like, it's gotten too big and out of control and it starts being like, I'll look for any evidence of this rumor that I've already decided is true and maybe to a nefarious intent, right? Like outing someone would be one. But I think it's also, it's not even necessarily UK, US culture, right? Like,
Using gossip to socially sanction someone, which is like put them in a line based on what you believe in, is also a party disconnect, right? So like you and I would view the use of social sanctioning to say like you can't say these list of words that we think are harmful to people, right? Like these are slurs that we don't use. We would view that as a moral good. Right.
There are people in this country who occupy a lot of positions of power who would say that is a moral evil to enforce that, but also that something like slut shaming is a moral good. Right. So often the tool of gossip is tells you more about who's holding it than anything else.
Okay. So something I've noticed, this is the third season of American Traitors. And the first season was half celebrities, half regular people, half normies. Second season was all celebrities. This season is all celebrities. And something I've noticed is that because Traitors is a game that anyone can play and And it has rules that kind of don't require you to be a good strategist to be on it.
It's a really great place for publicists to try and get their person on because it gives them face time and they can make jokes. And so there are people in this season of Traders that I'm like, what the hell are you doing here, right? Like Sam Ashgari I think is actually the best example of this where it's like, what – What are you doing here? Who let you in here? Right? Like, what are you doing?
And it's like, well, it's because it's good PR for him. If he just sits there and doesn't open his mouth and looks pretty beautiful most of the time. Helps win the challenges, demonstrates how strong he is. We are like, oh, I feel positively about that. I do feel positively about that. Right? Right? And so it's like, that's a really good move for a publicist.
So I think for Tom Sandoval, it's like, if I'm Tom Sandoval's publicist, which like, You would have to pay me so, so, so, so, so much money to do that job because it's immoral and also insane. But this is a really good placement for him because it's like he's on TV. He can't really get himself into that much trouble. Yeah. And so he's just like wandering around the castle.
Now, the survivor players are really strategic, right? Like they are always really strategic. And that's kind of how the survivor game is played, right? It's like four-dimensional chess that everyone is playing at all times, which just like creates... And so what's kind of funny to me about traders is you have the survivors and someone like Wes, who's a challenge guy, right?
You have people who have come from competition reality shows, and they're trying to play eight-dimensional chess at all times. And that works when everyone around you is also playing eight-dimensional chess. Right.
the problem with the traitors is that you have boston rob and carolyn playing this chess game and you have like gabby windy in there who's not playing chess at all right and she's just like sitting there and so it's like you can't it makes it really hard to fight her though because it's Like, you really don't know what her next move is because she's not playing a strategic game.
She's playing a, like, emotion-based game.
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