Kelsey McKinney

But it also is so interesting because it's like, oh, we've always been like this. Yeah. Like everyone has always been like this, which is really fun.

But it also is so interesting because it's like, oh, we've always been like this. Yeah. Like everyone has always been like this, which is really fun.

No, you can't get out of it. It's evolutionary.

No, you can't get out of it. It's evolutionary.

Oh, my God. Yeah. When I was reporting this book and researching it, I was reading a lot of studies by sociologists. And one thing that they talk about a lot is that we use gossip as a tool not only to understand our society, but to understand ourselves.

Oh, my God. Yeah. When I was reporting this book and researching it, I was reading a lot of studies by sociologists. And one thing that they talk about a lot is that we use gossip as a tool not only to understand our society, but to understand ourselves.

So it's like when I'm talking to you about something, I might surprise myself by like an instinct that I have or someone I think is a villain in your story and realize, oh, this is a like –

So it's like when I'm talking to you about something, I might surprise myself by like an instinct that I have or someone I think is a villain in your story and realize, oh, this is a like –

underlying bias that i have in my life right so i think a bias that i know i have that comes up all the time when i'm gossiping is like i don't trust any managers like none of them and sometimes like people will be telling me a story and i'm immediately like well clearly your boss is like the one who did this and they're like no my boss is like really good and i'm like well Not according to me.

underlying bias that i have in my life right so i think a bias that i know i have that comes up all the time when i'm gossiping is like i don't trust any managers like none of them and sometimes like people will be telling me a story and i'm immediately like well clearly your boss is like the one who did this and they're like no my boss is like really good and i'm like well Not according to me.

I'm like, I reject this information. It's not for me. And that's really interesting because it's like we're just having a casual conversation and yet it's revealing things about myself and my own biases to me. That's an easy example. There are obviously harder ones to encounter.

I'm like, I reject this information. It's not for me. And that's really interesting because it's like we're just having a casual conversation and yet it's revealing things about myself and my own biases to me. That's an easy example. There are obviously harder ones to encounter.

Oh, wow. Okay. Can't wait to get into this. Yeah.

Oh, wow. Okay. Can't wait to get into this. Yeah.

Uh-huh. I can see that. Yeah.

Uh-huh. I can see that. Yeah.

Absolutely. I think something I'm always getting mad at people for is I'm like, why are you working all the time? Stop working all the time. I literally am constantly saying this. It's so funny that you say that. And all of my friends are like, you dumbass. You work more than anyone we know. And I'm like, I know, but I don't like that about myself. And so I want to enforce it in other people.

Absolutely. I think something I'm always getting mad at people for is I'm like, why are you working all the time? Stop working all the time. I literally am constantly saying this. It's so funny that you say that. And all of my friends are like, you dumbass. You work more than anyone we know. And I'm like, I know, but I don't like that about myself. And so I want to enforce it in other people.

And also, I think it's like a lack of self-awareness, right? Where I'm like, I'm built different. It's different when I do it, right? And it absolutely is not. Yeah. Yeah. Sweetie. Look in the mirror. Have you seen this? It's your front facing camera on your iPhone.

And also, I think it's like a lack of self-awareness, right? Where I'm like, I'm built different. It's different when I do it, right? And it absolutely is not. Yeah. Yeah. Sweetie. Look in the mirror. Have you seen this? It's your front facing camera on your iPhone.