Kelsey McKinney
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607 appearances
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Feb 2025
Kelsey McKinney’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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My mother said, I'm sorry you weren't here because Father Sager was here visiting and he found a very nice orphanage for you. And I said, but I'm not an orphan.
Hello, Rachel. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be back.
I miss you. I miss you too. We haven't been on Zoom together in like at least a week, which is just insufferable and impossible. We cannot be expected to do that again.
It's been crazy. I've been doing so much promotion. I've been so busy. I don't sleep anymore. So that's exciting. But I'm hopeful that very soon I will hibernate. And that's going to be really nice for me to be asleep for a very long time.
Where are you going to come out of hibernation as?
Oh my God. Not physically, but I hope emotionally and mentally. I hope maybe by the end of it, I'll be able to meditate. Something I've never been able to do. Oh my God, emptying your mind? Imagine. Imagine your mind being so, so, so blank and your brain so smooth. That's what I want.
Yeah. Yeah.
I do not want to say yes to that, but I feel that I don't have a choice. So go for it.
So this book rules. It absolutely slaps. It's so old. It's like decades old. And all it is is Phyllis Rose took like literally five Victorian marriages that were all like, you know, when we think of the Victorians, we think of like prudes. Yes. Like they hate sex. They're having no fun. They're losers, right? Cholera. Cholera. Cholera, exactly.
And Phyllis Rose writes about five alternative Victorian marriages. So people who were like living with someone when they were technically married to someone else, people who had three wives, right? All of this stuff. And it is such a like gossipy, prying book. And I think it just like, it does a great job talking about like why we care about other people's marriages.
But it also is so interesting because it's like, oh, we've always been like this. Yeah. Like everyone has always been like this, which is really fun.
No, you can't get out of it. It's evolutionary.
Oh, my God. Yeah. When I was reporting this book and researching it, I was reading a lot of studies by sociologists. And one thing that they talk about a lot is that we use gossip as a tool not only to understand our society, but to understand ourselves.
So it's like when I'm talking to you about something, I might surprise myself by like an instinct that I have or someone I think is a villain in your story and realize, oh, this is a like –
underlying bias that i have in my life right so i think a bias that i know i have that comes up all the time when i'm gossiping is like i don't trust any managers like none of them and sometimes like people will be telling me a story and i'm immediately like well clearly your boss is like the one who did this and they're like no my boss is like really good and i'm like well Not according to me.
I'm like, I reject this information. It's not for me. And that's really interesting because it's like we're just having a casual conversation and yet it's revealing things about myself and my own biases to me. That's an easy example. There are obviously harder ones to encounter.
Oh, wow. Okay. Can't wait to get into this. Yeah.
Uh-huh. I can see that. Yeah.
Absolutely. I think something I'm always getting mad at people for is I'm like, why are you working all the time? Stop working all the time. I literally am constantly saying this. It's so funny that you say that. And all of my friends are like, you dumbass. You work more than anyone we know. And I'm like, I know, but I don't like that about myself. And so I want to enforce it in other people.
And also, I think it's like a lack of self-awareness, right? Where I'm like, I'm built different. It's different when I do it, right? And it absolutely is not. Yeah. Yeah. Sweetie. Look in the mirror. Have you seen this? It's your front facing camera on your iPhone.
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