Kemi Badenoch

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast · 522. The New Conservative Party | Kemi Badenoch · 17 Feb 2025 podcast

I look at a lot of Christianity or a lot of churches in Africa, and there are elements of the way that worship takes place that is exactly as it used to be when it was an animist society. And the cultures take the bits of Christianity that they like the most. So there is a lot of speaking in tongues. which is almost unheard of in Catholic and Protestant sort of churches in the UK.

You go to Africa, there's a lot of speaking in tongues and people throwing themselves on the floor. They love the exorcisms, the witchcraft bits of the Bible, which are barely spoken or land in a sermon in the West. So, because that's what the culture demands. The culture's like... okay, there's this new thing called Christianity. What do we like here?

We like exorcisms, we like speaking in tongues, we like all the bits. There's more singing and dancing. It's very vibrant. And the culture starts to take over and it interprets texts in a way that works for it. And this is the thing about text. You have to really guard. If you wanted to keep doing what it was always doing, you have to really pay attention. You have to really guard it.

Otherwise, people can appropriate it and almost make it do the opposite of what it was meant to do. And I see this with a lot of UK legislation. We see it with the non-hate crime incidents. This nonsense where people get arrested for saying things online. These laws have been there for 30 years, but the culture is changing. You have judges who think differently about this stuff.

It's the same with the Equality Act. The Equality Act was there as a shield, not a sword. It was there to protect people from discrimination. Started being used to discriminate between different groups. Oh, let's have some positive action. These groups are being treated unfairly, so we'll give them a boost and treat these other people unfairly. You need to guard your text carefully.

And that needs principles, I think conservative principles.

We still queue, by the way. I remember someone showing a video. There was a set of riots that happened about 10, 15 years ago, and the looters were queuing to get into the shop.

That's a good thing to see. Yes, we still queue. So the question is, what is the thing that is undermining the high-trust nature of our society? And I think it's complacency. And, you know, you talked about the careless immigration policy. This is something that I find unbelievably infuriating. How did this happen? Because everybody thought someone else was dealing with it.

And, you know, whether the ministers thought the civil service was doing it or the civil service thought that the borders were The border people were doing it and so on. At the end of the day, we as the political party in charge have to take responsibility for that. But it's one of the things that I find most frustrating because there is a complacency in this country that it doesn't matter when...

something's happening because everything's going to be okay we are the uk we are a rich country and so everything's going to be fine and it doesn't matter what you do the uk is the uk it's a civilized country people queue and it doesn't matter how many people come in we're always going to be the uk and everything's going to be uh everything's going to be fine it is complacency

And the complacency comes from, my view, the memories of harder times receding, almost fading from living memory. And by that, I mean war, when people were very alive to the threat from other people, other countries, when you have generations that have grown up where everybody is having a great time and we're not really at war and, you know, I think all of that contributes to the complacency.

That's number one. And complacency means that people stop looking after things because they think it's always going to be like that. And there are a large number of people across our cultural establishment, even the political establishment, I would say, in fact, it's probably especially the political establishment, who are suffering from what I call cargo cult syndrome.

Do you know what I mean by cargo cult syndrome? You should explain it for people, though. Okay, so just to summarize and paraphrase, In World War II, there was a plane that would drop supplies on a Pacific island, and the islanders saw air traffic control, people moving their arms, they saw runways had been drawn, and eventually a plane would come around and drop the food.

And after the plane stopped coming, they wanted the food supplies to return. So they drew lines on the ground and they made the hand signals, but they didn't understand why the food was no longer coming. Why were the planes not coming? And it is what happens when people have a very superficial observation of what is happening and assume that they understand it all and they know everything.

They don't test themselves. They don't really query. And I see that behavior in a lot of politics. Just today, we had a chancellor who went out and made a whole bunch of announcements. Oh, we're going to do this. We're going to do that. And said, we're delivering growth. That is not how growth is created. Announcements are not policy.

But many politicians have just seen that you stand up and you say, we're going to do this. And they imagine that there's an army of minions somewhere that make the thing happen. This is what happened with our immigration policy. The ministers would say, the prime minister would say, we're going to cut immigration, vote for us.

And an assumption that we've said it, of course, the people who are responsible for doing it will make it happen. It was complacency. And I hate it because... I always felt that immigration in this country was too high, but I did know that we needed to get good people coming in high skilled because other people were leaving and you needed to replace that.

It never once crossed my mind that as we were saying, let's have some good high skilled immigration in limited numbers, that people would use that to wedge the door open and effectively just let anyone who had a good story go.

um come in that needs to be fixed and just because we got it wrong before doesn't mean that we don't have a right to talk about it anymore we know more about this than anyone else we know how to fix it uh in a way that other parties don't and we have the will as well certainly under my leadership and that's one of the things that i'm trying to get people to see that the conservative party is under new leadership i am a different person from what we had before and yes

I was there, you know, when we had those previous governments, but I was working on the inside to stop a lot of nonsense, which is aggravating people out there. And I will never stop doing that.

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