Kemi Badenoch

It should protect people from being treated differently because of their race, sex, religion, sexuality, disability or age.

This understanding and this principle are being perverted.

She then makes a link between three very high profile crimes that most of our listeners will be familiar with.

The Manchester Arena bombing of 2017, the stabbings of two students and a caretaker in Nottingham in 2023.

and the Southport murders of those little girls at a dance class.

She says they were all examples of crimes in which the Equalities Law had a factor because people around them saw things that they thought were suspect but didn't step in because they were scared of being labelled or thought racist.

I think, frankly, it is an incredibly complicated question that we're asking today.

And it does seem from what Kemi Badenoch is saying so far that she doesn't she is not using statistics.

She is not using anything other than hearsay reporting on.

following three absolutely tragic events.

And what do we know about the Henry Novak case?

As you say, we're still waiting for the inquiry.

But we know that in that phone call that was made to police, the brother told a lie.

He alleged it was a racial attack.

In other words, the police did not turn up at a scene.

They didn't come across a scene and assume that the white guy was the murderer and the black guy, the brown guy, was the victim.

They followed what they thought was a witness phone call telling them what had happened.

So I think it is not bizarre that they had one narrative in their head and they found something completely different because he was a liar.

I mean, that is the whole horrendous truth of what we understand about them arriving at the scene at that point.

I do think politically it's really interesting what has happened because...