Ken Burns

I understand.

And it's a really, really good argument.

We've talked a lot about it with scholars.

I think what happens is you have a rare sort of eclipse-like situation where you have a conservative movement that is starting first with temperance, which means moderation, that all of a sudden becomes absolute.

The anti-salinity league takes over and it's all about no.

And it's a conservative thing.

And a lot of it's based on immigration.

Catholics are coming in.

And so you want to take away the sacrament.

Blacks have the vote.

You want to take away the bottle.

You know, you've got these these other ulterior sort of darker motives.

And it's a conservative movement.

And then you have the progressive movement, which you can say is liberal or not.

It doesn't really fit quite.

But they're going along saying that government, as I said, could be an instrumentality of social change.

So, if you reverse engineer it, we have an amendment to the Constitution, the only one that's been repealed, and the only one that limited human freedom.

That was prohibition.

And you had people on both sides of the aisle buying into it for different reasons.

I'd say a much more determinant part, and again, it's based, Chuck, on fear.