Ken Burns

I hear that all the time.

I'm opting for Ripon.

But the whole idea is that they're anti-slavery.

And so then you come full circle where it's successful in that it's gotten so many people to vote against their economic self-interest because they've been able to interpose enemies.

The great bugaboo of political distraction and ledger domain and sleight of hand is to say, oh, it's them and to create a them.

And I can tell you right now, I mean, my bottom line is I've been making films about the U.S., but I've been also making films about us.

Right.

Right.

The lowercase two letter thing.

And there's only us.

There's no them.

And whenever anyone tells you there's a them, you're having the wool pulled over your eyes.

You're having a distraction take place in order for you to think it's actually an economic interest that is of central value to me is not as important as the thing that those people might be doing to me.

Not really because what happens is whenever you say yes in your heart, in your gut, whatever you choose –

You don't know anything about it.

I mean, I got the general education.

I got a good education.

I know a lot about history.

And yet, when you say I'm going to do country music or I'm going to do baseball, something I grew up playing, oh, well, finally, a subject I know about.

Each day of baseball was a humiliation of what I didn't know.