Ken Burns

That's my play.

That's my sandbox.

It's a great sandbox.

You know, it's really, it's great.

And, you know, there's implied discipline in that.

You know, work with people.

I mean...

for decades and decades, and we work really hard, and we want to do a good job, and it's sincere in that regard.

And because, as I said, it's PBS with one foot tentatively in the marketplace and the other proudly out, you can make decisions that don't have to do whether it's going to enrich your bank account.

I mean, there are so many ways to measure richness that don't have to do with the bottom line.

And, you know, one of the things that Americans have done, we've incubated lots of great ideas because of those two oceans and those two relatively benign names.

One of the things, and de Tocqueville noticed this when he came here in the 1830s, was so into money and the almighty dollar, he called it, that was the religion of America.

And that has its cost.

It obviously has some nice attributes.

It has a spiritual cost that is...

Profound.

You know, the Old Testament again said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to reach the kingdom of heaven.

Yeah.

And that's tough for Americans to hear.

It is so tough for Americans to hear, particularly since we have so many preachers who are certain that it's okay to be both.