Ken Gamble

doing something that was just crazy, you know.

But I said there was a logic behind this.

If you do this properly, we could solve this case.

I said it right in the beginning.

So when the result happens, you kind of feel like saying, you know, I told you so, but it wasn't like that.

It was just, you know, sorrow for the family, of course, because we had to break the news.

to Celine's mum you're really happy that you've got this result but you're really sad at the same time because this is someone's life and you now have to tell the family you know you have this feeling of elation that comes across you when you get these results but but then you know from years of experience you just you do what you have to do and then get on with the next job.

Ken, it's been fascinating to learn about you and your work.

Thank you so much for being my guest on Conversations.

My pleasure.

Thank you.

Ken Gamble is the co-founder of the private intelligence and cyber investigations firm IFW Global.

This episode of Conversations was produced by Genleek and recorded on the lands of the Tarabal and Yagera peoples.

Our executive producer is Nicola Harrison.

I'm Sarah Konoski.

Thanks for listening.