Ken Hinkley

Well, I think they've made some inroads into, you know, mental health, you know, with the psychs and mindset coaches and stuff that clubs employ now.

And I think they're trying to take that out of the soft cap, which is well and good.

But then they've got to – I'm not sure they know what the right amount would be, Gerard, the right amount of finance that you need to have to have the best –

the best services available for mental health because this is what we're talking about now.

We're talking about the best services available for mental health because these are high-performing athletes who are getting scrutinized 24-7 and you don't know and we don't know how much mental health.

And because my experience with sports science or mindfulness coaching is that one size doesn't fit all.

You don't walk into a room and say, yeah, Gerard Waitley, he's perfect for me as a psych, and then the next person walk in and think the same thing.

It doesn't happen like that.

You know, to have a full-time psych at a club is a plus, but my experience would tell me that –

Just having one option is not necessarily the best option.

So that's where the AFL will, you know, it'll be okay to say we've got a psych on at Clubland now.

And they were pushing towards that.

It was three quarters.

I reckon it was nearly three days a week when I was there and finishing up and it became full time.

And a lot of that was taken out of the socket.

It's like your medical staff as well, your doctors.

And, you know, we're not getting the best doctors now because of the cost of

And the incomes that they earn outside of AFL football, I think some of the challenges we've got to realise is that these professionals earn, you know, high-level money, and so they should because they've gone through their, you know, their studies to get to this level.

But we need to understand from a club land that one professional might not work.

You know, we've got boys and girls in our programs now, and there's a lot of things that you have to consider about each individual's mental health if we want to have a, you know...