Ken Hinkley

Yeah, well, you know, I think they were the third youngest list in the competition last year.

So just looking at the side, it looked like they weren't quite ready to handle the big stage.

They get to a final, they get rolled at home.

But Gerard, if they finish top two and they get two home finals, it'll be a different story than Adelaide last year.

And, I mean, on the flip side too, where are the Saints at?

Yeah, I think maybe the chairman or Simon Garlick last year, last year's best and fairest before the season started, said that we've got all our pieces now, we're ready to go, sort of no excuses sort of thing.

And JL would have been sitting there going, please don't say that.

So they're aligned.

They're aligned with the messaging.

And no doubt you get to your players after you have a winning streak and you're in a hot spot, hot streak, you talk to them about the messaging piece because...

Just when you think you're in front of the game, Ken, you get whacked.

They've still got a pretty good run too, looking at their draw for the rest of the year.

It is, yeah.

They all get charter flights now, so it's a little bit different.

But you probably lose two weeks of sleeping in your own bed in a season, which doesn't sound like a lot.

But if I said to you, you know, every second week you're flying to Perth for work, it'll wear you down eventually.

Well, I'd be interested to see what Ken thinks of where they're at.

I mean, they're growing on me, I suppose.

I'm still trying to work out their identity.

What do they stand for?