Ken Hinkley

And John would certainly do that.

Adam, myself, Nathan Buckley, the tried coaches everyone's talked about.

The untried coaches are the ones who come in with a little bit

a little bit unknown about what this job is and then they've got to be seen to be able to make the creation of change and, you know, whether they can or they can't.

Stephen King's a great story with what he's done this year.

The Melbourne list was a much, much better performed list, even though not many people would have thought that.

They'd been to the draft for the last few years and brought in some players, but he's done an outstanding job, Kingy, to bring the players that he had and then get them to believe really quickly and that's been a great result.

No, it won't be.

It won't be easy to negotiate because what Max said, footballers, you know, they're looking for who's in charge and where's the future.

The future was out of the building in his mind and that's quite challenging.

I mean, I lived the succession planning which made that much easier and I lived it for 23 weeks.

as a succession plan so that we knew what the future was, but it was inside the building.

And I think that was really, really important.

Josh was there to make going forward decisions around lists and stuff like that and what he was looking for for the future.

That made our situation much, much easier.

But when you've got 15 weeks and you don't know who the next coach is, you don't know –

what the future is.

There'll be so many players in that place now going, well, where's my future?

What am I going to be doing?

Will I be at the Carlton Football Club next year?