Kenny Dennard

He's just so – he creates things that are never really – they are in the box score sometimes with steals or deflections, but it just irritates the crap out of the other team, all the things that he does to disrupt them.

And when you've got disruptive defense, it creates solid offense.

I mean, you get things and energy and then – but when you –

let people blow by you and go to the hole and, you know, you just rely on somebody trying to block shots.

That's a losing proposition.

And we've seen that in the past in the tournament.

But I think the continuity of the guys that stayed certainly added a lot of the brotherhood value.

And John obviously does a good job working with these guys to keep them involved, to keep them.

I mean, a lot of guys transferred.

from programs because they didn't get the time they thought there are people in their ears going, you can gain hand, you know, but fortunately I think Duke has a good NIL and whatever the other, I don't know how that works, but they have financial incentives that boy, just think how much gene banks would have gotten it with the NIL.

Holy moly.

But, um, the, uh, the NIL helps, uh, and just being part of Duke.

I mean, there's, I mean, look at Grayson,

Grayson was four years, right?

Played all four years.

Everybody thought he might go.

But Grayson stayed and look, he's had a pretty good pro career too.

I mean, it's not like he wasn't going to be a good pro.

He had a lot of growing up to do at Duke.

But having that Duke, wearing that jersey, being part of, going around campus, being a student, just the whole essence of the Duke experience from a basketball perspective is special.