Kevin Espiritu

Is you're going to put only almond trees in the orchard, right?

You're going to strip away everything else.

And what do almond trees need to produce the almonds?

Well, they have a flower.

That flower needs to get pollinated.

How is that flower going to get pollinated?

By the bees that are native to that area, typically.

Well, there are no bees anymore because there's no other crop in that area that the bees would naturally forage from.

So what has to happen as a result?

This is just one example of a second order effect.

There's a whole industry now called managed bee pollination, where people will produce bees, put them in hives, drive them around the country.

And allow them to pollinate.

Exactly.

It never ends, and then in the end, you end up manually reinventing what nature already was doing, is the way that I think about it.

Sure, so if you try to solve every problem that you created from these large-scale agricultural systems, you end up basically just recreating what nature already was doing.

Yeah, please.

I mean, in the past, I guess you're kind of right, Neil.

Like 100 years ago, you would have spent part of your actual life producing the food, right?

Let alone buying it.

But in the past, we used effectively like regenerative agriculture principles where –