Kevin Knuth

It's a different thing.

Yeah.

Just people doing things.

I mean, that's one thing.

I mean, scientists tinker as well.

Right.

Yeah.

And NASA isn't like that now, but when I worked there, which was the early 2000s, you still were able to do, like, blue sky research.

As long as, I mean, the requirement was you had to convince your area lead that this was in line with NASA's missions, basically, in some way.

And so...

And that's all you had to do.

And so then you could go off and work on this project.

And while I worked there, near the end of the time I worked there during the Bush administration, they started what they called full-cost accounting, where they have to account for all their costs.

So now you have to account for the time you spend on things.

And if you're doing that, then you can't do this blue sky research on this.

You can't do this little thing on the side.

So, for example, one of the things that we tried to do on the side, so this was a –

Yeah, why not?

I was interested in the Roswell story, and I was struck by the fact that the picture, you know, Jesse Marcel says one thing about the material, and it sounds entirely believable.

And then they get the picture in the newspaper with General Ramey with what clearly is aluminum foil and balsa wood in the picture, right?