Kevin Roberts

And I said, David, I'm not calling to restore your gift.

I'm calling to listen.

He said, well, I'm surprised that you called me.

I said, why?

He said, because the email was a little hot.

I said, no, talk to me.

I genuinely want to listen.

You and I, going back to transparency, this guy and I, you and I have a difference of opinion on this issue.

You have a difference of opinion with Heritage.

We're not going to change our position because you have this difference of opinion, but I'm wondering if maybe you can remember that we agree 100% on all of these other issues that we work on.

And I'll tell you,

Up until this very moment that I tell this story, not only did he continue to be a donor and has expanded his giving, but more importantly than that- Was he Christian or Jewish?

Christian.

Okay.

Although there are stories like that with Jewish friends, especially over the last few months.

But the second thing is we've become good friends.

And while we still have a difference of opinion on that issue, that's not a deal breaker for him or for us in Heritage.

I apologized for two things, mixing up personal friendship with institutional friendship.

And secondly, especially for Jewish friends, but for anyone, a couple of phrases in there that I regretted.

And I can tell you my closest Jewish friend called me the next morning and he said,