Kevin Roberts

for a married couple.

That's real money that probably begins to change behavior.

Does it get the fertility rate from where it is now, 1.58, to replacement rate 2.1 on its own?

No.

But if you have the president and his entire administration talking about the beauty of marriage and family, if you eliminate all the disincentives in our safety net programs toward marriage, you probably start knocking on the door of the replacement rate over 10 or 15 or 20 years.

We have four.

And our fellow traditional Catholic family say, y'all are kind of pulling up the caboose, Robert.

We're enamored with that idea.

We didn't propose that in our paper because we want to do more research.

So two things I will say.

What you described is basically Hungary's system.

And the second thing is we see this family policy paper as sort of a launch point to commence conversations like what you and I are having.

We thought, especially given the news cycle, that we would get a lot more blowback on this paper, including from some conservative circles.

While there are truly legitimate critiques of using government policy that as a conservative organization, we shouldn't be talking about government programs for anything.

Okay.

And while that is a good faith, legitimate argument.

That's the only argument?

Yeah, for the most part.

Okay, got it.

Our response is, well, you're not going to be able to afford what we're doing if you don't have more kids as a civil society.