Kevin Roberts

Okay.

And while that is a good faith, legitimate argument.

That's the only argument?

Yeah, for the most part.

Okay, got it.

Our response is, well, you're not going to be able to afford what we're doing if you don't have more kids as a civil society.

And so what we will continue to do is do research on programs like what you've described.

The second point I will say is, I think there's a real opportunity here for states to participate.

In fact, as a conservative, I would prefer states to do most policy.

State legislatures could receive block grants from the federal government.

to go innovate and see over five or 10 or 15 years with incentives for them if there is an improvement in both the marriage and birth rates.

There's obviously good for anyone graduating from college, whether men or women, but we're really concerned about the war on and the crisis of...

manhood in the United States.

Which doesn't come, obviously, at the expense of women.

The complementarity of men and women should cause us to really be concerned about the thing that sticks out for me, having a then teenage brother who committed suicide when I was nine, is the quadruple, four times as likely for boys and men in this country to commit suicide than women.

We have a real crisis here in culture, in the economy, in policy.

And what we're saying at Heritage is, because we're conservatives,

not libertarians, all due respect to our libertarian friends, we can see a role for the common good for federal policy to play.

you know be available to them too early well we know that social media has a huge role to play in fact one of the the most common critiques that we at heritage make of social media especially tick tock is the effect that it has on young women especially tick tock on young women but broadly defined social media the breakdown of the family of course affects both boys and girls but also institutions have no longer served any young american well but i think young men have felt that particularly profoundly

And so this goes hand in hand with the big chunk of our family policy paper path that focuses on the diagnosis, where we get into a lot of these cultural and social factors.