Kevin Roberts

Yeah, it's very good.

And that's why there have been some really good policies, whether Trump executive orders or also state laws passed.

And Heritage has been part of that.

But where there continues to be disagreement is on what you do with adults.

At Heritage, we believe that so-called transgender surgery is bad for anybody because of,

what you saw in Rhode Island yesterday, not to be clear, not that everyone who has gone through that surgery would do that kind of thing, there does seem to be a mounting body of evidence that suggests a correlation between that surgery at any age, mental health issues, and increasingly, although we're running the numbers on this at Heritage, acts of violence.

We have to come to grips with that as a society that, in a way that transcends left versus right, because this really is about the human condition.

If we continue to get that wrong,

then these conversations we're having about family policy and restoring our institutions and authenticity are going to be for naught.

And I'm optimistic.

It's proven to be terrible for the human person.

I don't remember the year, but it obviously has, the number has intensified over the last 12 years.

Can you look it up, Rob?

And we like that idea too.

One of the reasons is that we not only work in coalitions, but we often work toward

an ultimate goal via incremental steps.

In fact, sometimes people will call us radical incrementalists.

We're willing to take a quarter of the enchilada if we can keep working there.

So if that's the kind of thing that policymakers can agree on left and right, Heritage would be fully supportive of that, knowing that ultimately we have an ideal position that would be much stronger than that.

We'd become a better society because we would have fewer Americans.