Kevin Shipp

Well, I mean, if you humbly look at my case, they tried to erase me by placing me and sadly my family as collateral damage in a very badly poisoned house that had mycotoxins leaking out of the ceiling. Now, mycotoxins are what Saddam Hussein used on the troops called yellow rain. It's a very deadly neurotoxin. And I found it, it only shows up under a black light.

And I think that's why your show is doing so well, because you got the courage to put the truth out there, which I admire. And so, yeah, things are looking a lot better than they were. That is for sure.

And as this was all happening and my family was deathly ill, I hit the ceiling and I found these mycotoxins. And of course, later, while we were out of the house, they broke in and I hit it again and there was big brushstrokes of some chemical that was invisible. They painted over it. Oh, they have every way to try to get rid of you. And then there is the secrecy agreement, which is their weapon.

Anybody, for example, MKUltra, people involved in that, if they signed a CIA secrecy agreement, they will sit them down and they will say, this is what you signed and agreed to. If you reveal anything classified, whether you like it or not, you're going to be charged and you're going to go to prison. And that's the weapon of fear. They tried to use that on me.

Didn't work because I answer to a higher authority. But they've used it down through the years to silence people from coming out with some of these perverse and illegal operations.

Yeah, and a lot of these people go in and they have families to support. It's their health insurance. It's their retirement. And if they don't play by the rules, they lose all of that and they're financially destroyed, which they, of course, tried to do to me also. And they have an entire procedure they've developed over the last 40 years since Gary Webb, even if you know the story of Gary Webb.

They destroyed his career, ruined his journalistic career. He's lost his marriage, his finances, and then wound up in a hotel room with two bullets in his head because he reported on CIA drug running. And he wrote the book Dark Alliance. That is a classic case of how the CIA will, their most favorite form of assassination is pushing someone to suicide.

And then that gives them the doctrine of plausible deniability. And that comes from National Security Council Directive 10-2 in 1948, where the CIA can do anything it wants, sabotage, subversion, economic warfare, assassination. It can do anything it wants as long as there's plausible denial for the U.S. government. They can deny any involvement. The CIA can do anything it wants.

Now, imagine that. With their $39 billion plus budget and the power of secrecy they have, the things that they have done and are doing are unconscionable.

Well, the deepest fear, of course, was the emails that he revealed between the Department of State and other officials and some of the dirty deeds that they were doing. Of course, there's the videotape of them killing those innocent people, two of which were reporters and photographers. What the CIA fears is exposure. And Julian Assange was starting to expose the whole thing.

And which jeopardizes the CIA's existence, which it will, as I mentioned, will do anything to keep from happening. So Julian Assange is public enemy number one because he challenges the system of secrecy and that's where their power is. That's why he's such a hero, frankly. That's why people love him so much because he stood up in their face and he said, this is what you're doing.

Well, Project Mockingbird, you know, they alleged that that went away in 1976 when George H.W. Bush, who, by the way, was a longtime CIA operative, which he covered up. George H.W. Bush, they put him as director of the CIA intentionally, and he came out and gave a news conference when Mockingbird was busted by the church committee.

And he showed everybody just the tip of the iceberg, really what they're doing. And they will not have that.

Yes, and even Pompeo said, he told, Bobby Kennedy's a friend of mine, and matter of fact, Bobby was kind of encouraging me to write this book. Pompeo told Bobby Kennedy, After he came out, he regretted not doing the reforms that the CIA needed. Well, not only did he not do them, he instigated and carried out an assassination program. So this is the way that it works today, one of several ways.

One is, for example, Google. The CIA funded, along with DARPA and NSA, what was called the Massive Digital Data System, or MDDS, which was a massive system of surveillance to gather up all the information on everybody in America on the internet backbone and then be able to collate that into birds of a feather, identify groups that were maybe threatening to the US or what have you.

What Larry Page and Sergey Brin did was they, after it was done, they took MDDS out and they turned it into Google. So Google is using the MDDS background developed by the CIN NSA and DARPA. That is what Google is now. And you can see how they're censoring conservative speech. They just censored my interview, great interview with Ken Matthews, simply because we're talking about this sort of thing.

So but there's a quid pro quo amongst even now between the editors of these major news networks, especially CNN, MSNBC, and even even some conservative news networks where as long as they do not do any investigation of the CIA.

and report anything negative about the CIA, the CIA will leave them alone and they'll actually feed them stories from anonymous sources, feed them stories so they'll be the first ones to break it. The moment that any outlet really does an investigation of the CIA, that is cut off immediately and the agency starts putting out disinformation about that network.

And any journalist like Gary Webb who dares to investigate the CIA, they'll be fired, their career will be ruined, and they all know it. And when you think about it, when's the last time you saw any major mainstream media news outlet do a serious investigation of the CIA? Maybe never? Well, there's a reason for that. They know that their survival and their career depends on not doing that.

Bush came out and did a news conference saying, well, this is an official statement. The CIA will no longer pay journalists to plant stories in papers. But then people missed the last part of his statement. From now on, it will just be voluntary. The CIA has a whole lot of ways to make something voluntary a necessity. So it continues. It continues today.

And that's why the new programs, yours and others, they didn't count on people like you and me coming out and saying, this is what they're doing. And now with new news programs, they're freaking out.

And a good example of that is the Total Information Awareness Program where AP, UPI, Washington Post, Google, Facebook, especially Google and Facebook, signed an agreement with the CIA to censor certain information that the government didn't want out there. Literally signed off with the CIA for propaganda to the U.S. people. So it is in full swing. It never went away. Now it's just voluntary.

And they have ways of making that happen.

That was 1976. Wow. Before the cameras, and everybody missed that last part.

He basically right there signed his death warrant. And he probably knew this, but the organization behind all of that, most if not all of that, is three letters, CIA covert operations. And Qaddafi was even trying to reach out to the United States and establish relationships. And he was giving us intelligence. He was acting as an intelligence gatherer for the CIA and the U.S. government.

That was his first fatal mistake in terms of the shadow government, the CIA's covert action arm. The second was he decided he wanted to nationalize his currency and no longer be bound to the US or the US standard or the US dollar. And that was the beginning of his end.

That is a classic case of a CIA covert operation with plausible deniability to get rid of a leader that was not playing by the rules. and not doing, handing over its minerals and its oil, which are usually involved, and then getting rid of the U.S. dollar as the currency. And in the terms of the dark side of our government, he had to go.

What I mean by that is he would no longer be under the thumb of the US and the US currency and being controlled by the US dollar and Wall Street, which is of course the CIA's right arm. All of those knew that that was gonna cut off their power if he nationalized his currency, which he had every right to do. But it was going to cut off the U.S.

's major power, especially the CIA's major power, and they were communicating with him, which they had over him. And that was his death knell. And, of course, once again, plausible denial in that National Security Directive, 10-2 in 1948. As long as the U.S. government could deny killing Qaddafi, of course, he was a madman. That was the term. And then he wasn't killed by the U.S. or the CIA.

He was killed by his own rebels who took him out because there was a revolution. No. As a matter of fact, the Gaddafi regime and Hillary Clinton was in large part behind this, but the Gaddafi regime is now turned into a terrorist state. The CIA seems to have a track record of doing that, staging a coup and then turning that country, that area into a terrorist nation. They created Al-Qaeda.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban, of course, now has all of our arms and weapons. They created Sukarno in Indonesia is a horrible one. President Sukarno was communicating with John F. Kennedy. And for the first time, they wanted a Muslim and American union. And Kennedy was going to visit Sukarno.

The CIA staged a coup, overthrew President Sukarno, and it resulted in the death of 500,000 to a million Indonesian civilians. You think people forget that sort of thing? No, they don't. So over and over in Iraq, which was based on false intelligence, and yet they gave George Tenet the Presidential Medal of Freedom for doing it. In Iraq, we created ISIS.

Yes. That was remarkable because the Washington Post has been the chief mockingbird since its inception. Matter of fact, they were part of the formation the Post was with Operation Mockingbird. And they've been the CIA's mouthpiece for decades. And all of a sudden this happens.

We created the so-called moderate Free Syrian Army, which has in their declaration to establish a global Islamic caliphate. CIA created them. And the old, probably the oldest example, most powerful one, I think, is Iran. Iran decided, a democratically elected government decided that, well, we're giving our oil for free to the United States. And why are we doing that?

I mean, we want to provide for our own people. We want to nationalize our oil. So they did. And the CIA immediately went in, staged a coup, overthrew the democratically elected government, put in the puppet Shah, who was... Had a few decks missing, a few cards missing from his deck. Rather, he was just a puppet and they knew it. So they overthrew him. And now what do we have?

The chief state sponsor of terrorism in the world. And it all started back with the CIA's coup. Then we look at Ukraine, if I may. John Brennan, former CIA director, was making secret trips to Ukraine in 2014. And he helped organize and stage the coup.

McCain was all in there and Lindsey Graham. He changed his spots. As soon as McCain died, Lindsey Graham became a Trump supporter. So what's going on with him? That's a big question.

But they overthrew a democratically elected government, put in Zelensky, the CIA's puppet, violated an agreement that the United States had signed with Russia that we would not have a NATO ally within a certain distance from their border. We signed that. America signed that.

Well, Ukraine comes out with the sponsorship of the CIA and says, well, we want Ukraine to be part of NATO and provoke that whole thing. And just like when the CIA went behind JFK's back through Alan Dulles, put us on the verge of nuclear annihilation. Here we are back again. The CIA stages a coup, puts in a puppet. Russia tries to defend itself. And I'm not justifying Vladimir Putin.

He's murdered a lot of people. But provoked Putin to come in. And now, once again, we're on the verge of nuclear annihilation, just like the CIA did with the Bay of Pigs under JFK. The CIA does not care about human life. It doesn't care about peace at all. It cares about winning and perpetuating and expanding itself. And that's not an exaggeration.

And, of course, a bunch of Washington Post journalists and editors walked out because they're so used to puppeting the government line, they left. And that Bezos did that is just is remarkable. I think he sees the writing on the wall. People are tired of that. They're fed up with false news. And and, you know, he's a money man. He's a businessman. He sees that the post is hurting.

And that's exactly what happened. And if you remember Putin's speech that he came out, I think it was two years ago, decrying the moral depravity of the West and how the West had sunk morally into depravity and the U.S. government had become this master of the world and that Russia was not going to degrade itself morally. Essentially, Russia is 80% Christians, I think, Orthodox Christians.

And he was decrying the moral decay of the United States. So Vladimir Putin is CIA enemy numero uno because he won't play by the rules. And he knows them. He knows how they operate. He knows the number of things that they have done. So what does the CIA have to do with plausible deniability? They have to get rid of Putin any way they can, any way they can.

And they put us, as I mentioned earlier, on the verge of nuclear annihilation again.

So he came out and said that. And he's got a 600 million dollar contract with the CIA for monitoring cloud activities. So Bezos does, which means he probably signed a CIA secrecy agreement, which is their their weapon. So that's that makes it even more ironic that he would come out and cut the legs off their chief mockingbird, essentially. So, yeah, that was something something to watch.

Why Christians? Remember, the Soviet Union made a statement that we could control all of our entire population except the Christians. And they had to put them in prison and in gulags. And I remember 1994 when I was in the CIA, we ordered into a conference room. We all filed in. There's about 30 of us. And our division chief starts off by saying, now, don't get mad at me. I'm just the messenger.

This comes down from the director of the CIA. You can no longer say Merry Christmas in any CIA office space. You cannot have a manger scene on your desk. or on your door, or you will face administrative penalties. And the sad part was only two of us, our jaws dropped. Like, what? And the CI was actively against Christians, and they used DEI as a method to suppress them.

And I remember it was Christmas Eve, and I walked out. You know, I thought about this, prayed about this overnight, and I said, oh, no, you don't. So I walked out on New Year's Eve, and I turned around to everybody. I said, good night. And by the way, Merry Christmas. I'm like, You know, there is a line you don't cross.

Well, there was an outrage from the CIA populace, and as evil people always do, when they got resistance, they backed off and said, well, never mind, you know. But it has been Christianity, because the Christians are the only ones that will not answer to tyranny.

we believe in god in a higher power and we will not be manipulated by a tyrannical regime and that's why christians are despised around the world including in this previous administration my goodness and going back to obama how they attacked christians and eliminated the religious freedom post at the department of state and on and on and on it went but that's the reason

No excuse for it. And you know, Hiroshima was the only city in Japan that was largely a Christian city.

And these were innocent people that had nothing to do with the war. And the Japanese had already started brokering a surrender. They'd witnessed a nuclear blast. They were terrified and they wanted to work through peace negotiations. We're in the middle of that when they dropped the bomb on innocent people, which I think most students in their history books, they don't hear that part.

But once again, it's this monstrous global juggernaut of the CIA and the shadow government.

And in the book, we're making the case for reforming the CIA, redoing the National Security Act of 1947 and eliminating the CIA's covert operational authority entirely and turning that sort of thing over to the DIA where it used to be and eliminate the CIA's unbridled power and their use of secrecy to basically manipulate our elected government.

That's a fantastic question. When the CIA was created, in its charter, and Truman later regretted, as you know, that's in our book, he regretted creating it and said it was casting a shadow over our freedom. He deeply regretted even creating it. But in the CIA's charter, it gives them unbridled authority to do covert operations. supposedly accountable to the president, which they never are.

And using the doctrine of plausible denial, which existed when I was there, the CIA can do anything it wants to any country and any person as long as the government isn't blamed for it. And they do. They do all of that. So it's a monstrous juggernaut. And when they did the National Security Act of 1947, and especially the National Security Council Directive 10.2,

They opened Pandora's box to the CIA and the devil came out and the CIA became this massive murderous organization. I think last estimate they've been responsible for the death of seven million people around the world. This our CIA has done that. And it's time for that to stop. It's time for that that part of the CIA to be removed.

I think they should keep the Directorate of Intelligence and the other ones that Truman intended, but the CIA's covert operational authority needs to be eliminated entirely, and that's what I'm pushing for and proposing, as well as Bobby Kennedy and others, and that has to be done, because it is a monstrous, wicked, evil organization that has a secret budget with our tax dollars that is killing, murdering people, and overturning democratic governments.

Time to stop.

Diego Garcia is a very secret facility. Of course, we're there. Intelligence is there. Certain sectors of the military are there, but nobody knows what they're doing at Diego Garcia in terms of the public. It just sits there doing the intelligence community's bidding. And of course, recent reports have come out about Diego Garcia's possible role in

in the Malaysian Flight 370 and its utter disappearance. In my view, there were onboard Malaysian, you may know this, Flight 370 onboard were a company that had engineers that were developing chips that could function at room temperature, super compute at room temperature. Extremely valuable technology to defense and intelligence. They were on that plane.

And we mentioned before, I think you have interviewed somebody on this. They finally released some of the footage of the aircraft before it disappeared and there's objects rotating around the plane. changing its course, and then poof, it's just gone. No wreckage, and the wreckage they claim they found an ocean away wasn't even from that flight.

So there's something that really needs the American people to look into, and maybe this new administration could get something. I think something really nefarious happened there.

And they need to have that because if they think it's in the interest of preserving the United States and it's, uh, the upper levels of the national security state, we're in a post-constitutional government. We are now under a national security state, which will perpetuate itself at all costs. If it came down to spraying Americans, I think they did that to army troops, uh,

Back during, around the time of MKUltra, they sprayed a bunch of American troops with a bioweapon. Of course, the base we were on, they buried chemical weapons, mustard gas and other things. So, yes, they have been doing that.

And, you know, I have to agree, too, because I remember, I've always been a, they used to call me a sky person when I was working outside, because I love clouds and I love the sky. The sky is not the way it used to be. Whatever conclusion you want to reach, it's a mess with just... Trails everywhere. And, oh, it's just contrails from the condensation. Well, wait a minute.

Air engineering has improved, not gone backwards. And back in my day, they didn't put out all this stuff. Question mark. What's that all about? And I think people need to ask that question because it has changed. But you can bet. They have biological weapons programs in case they need them with the continuation of government or the COG program.

Things get bad enough, they're going to sacrifice the American people through the continuation of government. And I know a little bit about that. They will preserve the president, the CIA, and some of the major leaders in some secret facilities so that the government continues while the American people are basically left out like lambs to the slaughter.

Yes. And the CIA has its own media liaison office now, Hollywood liaison office. They literally wrote, the CIA did, part of the script for the movie Argo. And they changed the facts. The facts were that it was the Canadian embassy that staged that program and got the hostages out. Argo makes it look like it was CIA officers that were the heroes. The CIA put that in there.

and kicked the Canadians out, and they're still upset about it today. That's a CIA propaganda program to make them look like the heroes. They're doing that all the time.

Zero Dark Thirty. Those are CIA-coordinated productions, because they want the CIA to look good, because all it's bad is starting to come out now. So they're trying to put out, you know, everybody loves a good spy movie, but they're trying to put all these things out, making the agency look like heroes and things like that.

Listen, I've worked with case officers and chief of stations around the world, And I can count on one hand, maybe even just two fingers, the two chief of stations that were actually noble people. The rest were lower than a snake, dishonest, immoral thieves. They go out with prostitutes at night and just some of the most disgusting people you could. They weren't James Bond, I can tell you that.

So no one presents that picture, of course, in the scripts for these movies. But that's the reality of it.

Well, he's more, I think, has a communist leaning than even a socialist leaning. Hey, the guy's a tyrant, a flat-out tyrant. And what a lot of people don't know is the RCMP, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, are directly connected to the RCIA. And they work together, and they work together in one case to cover up an airline crash in so people didn't know what really happened there.

So you got that part of the Canadian government that is directly connected to our shadow government. And of course, Trudeau is their puppet. He's become a tyrant. There's no question about it. And I know a lot of Canadians, I was on a program yesterday with a Canadian, really upset with him. And he's losing popularity fast, but he's a deep stater from the word go.

And as usual, all about his career, you know.

Boy, there's a lot of stuff about Emmanuel Macron. Now, what people don't know is France, when I was there and even now, I think it's our number three espionage enemy. France has been spying on Americans for decades, and they've been putting French agents on aircraft behind businessmen to listen to what they're talking about with their business.

Yes, we have an entire chapter in our book on Bob Woodward, who I consider the chief mockingbird. When I came out with my story to blow the whistle on what the agency had done when my family was poisoned and the house was broken into and they painted chemicals on the ceiling, I contacted a reporter who was going to meetings with former agency people. And so I called him and he took the story.

So France has been hostile in terms of intelligence to the U.S. the entire time. The stuff about Macron and his... shady, strange past. And of course, his wife. I mean, there's stuff coming out that you just have to listen to. What you have done, and I've watched it all, you can't discount the things that you have said.

And I admire you because you've got the guts to come out with Piers Morgan and other people and just, look, these are just the facts. We're just going to say the facts. Attack us as you will. So France is a dirty government. Their intelligence is dirty. And I guess that's probably all I should say about that. And Zelensky, what's your take on Zelensky? Zelensky's a puppet. He was a comedian.

He wasn't even a politician. As a matter of fact, he was kind of a, I wouldn't say pornographic, but a certain... close to it, comedian with no government experience at all, but he was very popular as a comedian. So he was the CIA's pick because the people would, they would let him be put in office. And Zelensky, he doesn't want peace now. He could enter into peace anytime.

He refuses to enter into any peace negotiations whatsoever. And he is the recipient of The CIA's main vein, so to speak, and that's the military industrial complex that is pumping billions of dollars of weapons into Ukraine at using our tax dollars without our approval to pump up Zelensky.

And he keeps asking for more and more and more, much of which I think, goodness gracious, 49 million so far is not accounted for. I think he's a crook personally.

I can carefully confirm that there are several actors that are CIA agents.

Can't do that. I'm still trying to stay out of jail.

I am so right. I'm trying my best to stay out of prison. I'm close.

Right now they can go on Amazon.com. They're going to restock it by December the 7th. So they're out right now. It's going to be restocked by December the 7th. And this book was published without the approval of the CIA. And that's the calculated risk I took so that people will get the truth without it being stopped.

And, of course, my courageous co-author, Kent Heckenlively, deserves some major kudos for writing the book with me. And he was just banned from Australia, by the way.

But he kept putting me off for 30 days. We went back and forth. And I said, are you going to publish this or not? He goes, well, what about this? And he kept asking me questions, the answer to which would be classified information, which means I could be wrapped up. So finally I said, why are you doing this? I'm not gonna tell you anything classified.

Yeah, that's right. That's a badge of honor.

He goes, well, my editor, he's pressuring me to do it, and he was just, he was miserable. So that's why I'm not mentioning his name, because he was just an in-between. Well, guess who the Washington Post editor was? It was Bob Woodward. And it turns out the CIA, excuse me, the Washington Post went directly to the CIA and reported my contact and exactly what I told them.

Turns out Bob Woodward was an intelligence community official connected to the CIA Naval Intelligence going all the way back to the Nixon administration. He briefed Alexander Haig with top secret briefings. And he and Haig worked together as a kind of behind-the-scenes coup to get rid of Richard Nixon.

Now, that may sound crazy, but we have the documentation in Twilight of the Shadow Government to prove that. That was a coup against Richard Nixon and that Bob Woodward himself was involved in that. And I remember when we were on the seventh floor, when we were protecting CIA Director William Casey... Woodward would come and visit all the time.

And William Casey hated the press, except for Bob Woodward. And he'd always clear him right in, and they'd go behind closed-door meetings, and we were all like, what the heck? Well, it turns out Bob Woodward, with some of the information Casey gave him, publishes Veil, The Secret Wars of the CIA. And in that book,

He says that he was able to get into Bill Casey's hospital room when he was terminally ill and get him to admit to his involvement in the Iran-Contra affair, which was a felony, basically. Well, that's a complete fabrication. I was one of the agents that occupied the hot seat outside of Casey's room.

Woodward did try to get in, and the agents gracefully caught him and showed him the exit, and he never came back. The brain tumor had affected Casey's brain, especially the area of speech. So he couldn't even talk. So that's complete fabrication. Woodward has concealed all of his intelligence community jobs and positions that he had going back to Alexander Haig. He's concealed all of that.

He makes it look like he came into the Washington Post. And then within six months, he gets Watergate and he gets a direct connection to the then deputy director of the FBI, who turns out to be Deep Throat and was disgruntled and just started feeding Woodward information right off the bat. Why him? Well, everybody knew that he had a clearance and he had connections to U.S. intelligence.

So we have an entire piece referenced and documented on Bob Woodward as the poster child of Mockingbird. And it goes all the way back to there.

Yes. And I think we pretty much prove that in the book with documentation.

Thank you. Thanks for having me back.

What was Woodward's last most recent book, Fear? And of course, it's always negative about Donald Trump because he's a mockingbird. And the CIA specifically hates Donald Trump because he's rattling their cage. And the CIA will do anything, and I mean anything, to survive, self-perpetuate itself forever. So he went after Trump in his book, and he is now a well-known fabricator.

I don't think he can read any of Bob Woodward's book and believe everything that's in there. Now, the one exception is Bill Casey leaked classified information selectively to Woodward in the book Veil because Casey wanted that out to the American public. And Woodward took that. What he does is he takes things and makes himself look legitimate, and then he puts a lie in there. That's his MO.

And he did that in his recent book, Fear. But it's always against anyone that challenges the intelligence community or the national security state. It's always an attack on them, and of course, Donald Trump.

And Nikki's been connected to the military industrial complex for years. She's a deep stater from the word go. Obviously, Trump knows that the team knows that. And that's why she doesn't have any position. But, you know, you got to admire the poetic justice because they were they had Tulsi Gabbard on on a terrorist watch list.

They were following her wherever she went for no reason other than her opinions on Ukraine and other things. And now all of a sudden she's in charge of them as over DHS. I mean, you gotta love that.

And that's the kind of thing we need is people from the outside like that, especially people that have been attacked by the shadow government deep state that are now going back in to really clean some house. First time in my entire career, I've seen this actually possible. And somebody pinch me and wake me up because I think I'm dreaming.

But it's going to be a battle from now on, getting rid of these deep staters, especially in the CIA and their bureaucrats. It's going to be a war. So we should be excited, but at the same time, really concerned and keep our eye on these people because they're going to try to stop this.

Well, it's funny because when he was first appointed to the CIA, I remember I turned to my wife and I said, if he's an honest man, he will not be there for long. They're going to turn him. Well, what did Pompeo do? And he ruined his political career. He put an assassination order out for Julian Assange.

And then he called Tucker Carlton and threatened him with arrest for talking about the Assange case. This is Mike Pompeo. And they he either was already deep state. The CIA has a wonderful way of turning people when they get in there. Trust me, I know. And the upper 20 percent of the CIA, they do not believe in democracy. They do not believe in the U.S. Constitution.

We are, and thanks to programs like yours, and the mainstream media is no longer, the propaganda arm of the CIA is no longer in ultimate control. Now we have shows like yours and others that are getting the truth and the real news out, and people are desperate and they're thirsty for that sort of thing, as we've been lied to for so long.

They believe in the CIA and its global juggernaut. staying in control and perpetuating itself. That's all they believe in. And some of them, and I've worked for some, they're basically psychotic. They're narcissists.

And so Pompeo got in there and whether he was coerced into doing that by Gina Haspel, who is a shadow government deep stater from the word go, she's the one that destroyed the torture tapes, videotapes. And it wasn't just waterboarding, it was worse. John Brennan was operating through Deputy Director Haspel against Pompeo when Pompeo was director.

And so the under bureaucracy in the upper levels of the CIA was working against Pompeo while he was there. That's gonna happen again. And if Ratcliffe takes over, he's gonna need a team of defense people in the administration behind him because they're going to try to put their steely knives in his back.

And he absolutely needs to appoint the right deputy director underneath him that will go with the reforms that the administration has ordered him to do. Because if that's not the case, then the DDCI will undermine him. They have a whole global monstrous network to protect. and much of it illegal and criminal, including drug running and other things that they don't want coming out.

So you bring a reformer like Ratcliffe in, you better be careful and you better have outsiders come in to support him, the chief operating officer and others that will make sure that bureaucracy doesn't try to undermine the new director.