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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

And people are like, oh, AI just can't do that.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

And then one day, somebody ships a model that gets like 5% on that eval.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

Still mostly can't do the job, but just like begins to get it.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

And then what you inevitably find is like two months later, there's a model that's at 30 on that eval.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

And then four months later, there's a model that's at 60.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

And then, you know, within six months, it's completely saturated and like models are great at that new skill and will forever be.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

And so you go very quickly from like proof of existence to like, oh yeah, of course AI models can do that.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

That like rate of development is still, I think, something that we're not totally used to.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

Yeah, it's a really good question.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

And actually, coding is this vertical that kind of hits all of these things.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

For one, it's really important to us because if we can speed up coding, if we can make every engineer more effective, we also make ourselves more effective.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

And so we can build even faster and we can bring AGI to the world faster.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

So it's interesting to us from that perspective.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

It's a clear kind of milestone or step on the way to AGI itself because it's a very sort of general purpose reasoning.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

It's also a relatively gradable task.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

Like you can tell, like in math or other things, if you get the answer right.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

It's also something that our engineers are familiar with.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

So it's a problem space that they understand and have good intuition for.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

It's also a huge market, as you were saying.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
OpenAI’s CPO on what’s coming next: Hardware, GPT-5, Jony Ive, agents, more

It's also a market full of early adopters.