Kevin Woodley

And you can ask fairly given where they are and where they probably want to finish next year, even if that's not the stated goal and it won't be the coach's goal, whether that's a wise thing, especially at the end of the day, the cost is the cost.

Were they good contracts?

No, but at least on the Demko one, I always say avoid term with goaltenders at the risk of my goal, the union card, at least they did there.

There's also something to be said though,

for having a little faith and trust in what's going on behind you when you're a young team trying to learn how to survive in the NHL.

It's not like you want them to feel like, oh, man, like, ooh, yeah, no problem.

I can make mistakes all over the place because the goalie's going to bail me out.

But you don't want young defensemen out there thinking, man, any mistake and it ends up in the back of my net.

Like, there's a positive for a rebuilding team to having goaltending

that they trust in.

Right.

And, and a little bit of confidence that they can go out there and play a little freer, not play tight.

Still, obviously structure.

We heard Manny talk about structure.

That's, it's funny how that was a bugaboo for the organization right up until last year.

Um, and we didn't, we didn't hear from, from the outgoing, outgoing upper management about structure last year at all.

Um,

You know, so I see it both ways.

Is it ideal to have 13?

I don't think the salary cap, it's not ideal, but I don't think the salary cap really matters to this team right now.