Kevin Young

And I know what I think of it.

I'm curious, too.

I can't even remember.

But I think of couplets as these kind of pairings, these beautiful, heroic moments.

But how do you think of them?

I love that.

I love also that she's kind of, in a way, pairing these lambs with the self, you know, and the self is sort of separate from the self in many places.

I remember how cold I was.

I mean, it's almost like she doesn't say, I am cold.

She says, I remember.

And this idea, wherever I went, I came with me, which is, you know, almost a familiar idea that wherever you go, there you are.

But she says it somehow differently that makes something else happen.

And I'm so interested always in Lucy's language and her use of things like carnage or snuff or ruminants.

And, you know, it can be kind of Baroque her language.

But here I felt like it was more Baroque looking than it is sounding.

Like when you hear it aloud, it doesn't sound at all strange to me.

It's true.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

But it's a token of this that you might have, like a skull in a painting.

Like a reminder of mortality, but I think in order to, you know, live more.