Kevin

Do you think there's any hope? And my answer to her question is my answer to your question, which is no. Because the administrators at places like that are cowards. They're not bad people. They just suffer from cowardice.

Do you think there's any hope? And my answer to her question is my answer to your question, which is no. Because the administrators at places like that are cowards. They're not bad people. They just suffer from cowardice.

So until there is some factor within those institutions or external to those institutions, which might be federal policy, they're just going to wither on the vine, even though they are blessed with very significant endowments.

So until there is some factor within those institutions or external to those institutions, which might be federal policy, they're just going to wither on the vine, even though they are blessed with very significant endowments.

There is no policy arena I am more optimistic about than education reform. And almost all of that optimism comes from what states have decided to do. Oklahoma is a great example. The leadership of Governor Stitt there, Superintendent Ryan Walters, Heritage has helped them as we've helped other state officials develop not just an improved vehicle for funding education,

There is no policy arena I am more optimistic about than education reform. And almost all of that optimism comes from what states have decided to do. Oklahoma is a great example. The leadership of Governor Stitt there, Superintendent Ryan Walters, Heritage has helped them as we've helped other state officials develop not just an improved vehicle for funding education,

universal school choice or close to it, but very importantly, also the content of this. So for a long time, some of your audience may not know this, conservatives only focused on that, the delivery vehicle, the structure of how we do this, vouchers, education savings accounts as they now are.

universal school choice or close to it, but very importantly, also the content of this. So for a long time, some of your audience may not know this, conservatives only focused on that, the delivery vehicle, the structure of how we do this, vouchers, education savings accounts as they now are.

But I realized a few years ago, along with many other conservative education reformers, is that we have to also play in the curriculum game. Because if all you're doing is making it easier for children to have access to really bad content, then you're not helping the situation. So I'm hopeful about that. I'm hopeful about what has happened in Florida. And I'm also hopeful that those examples

But I realized a few years ago, along with many other conservative education reformers, is that we have to also play in the curriculum game. Because if all you're doing is making it easier for children to have access to really bad content, then you're not helping the situation. So I'm hopeful about that. I'm hopeful about what has happened in Florida. And I'm also hopeful that those examples

in the aggregate as the new administration comes in and the new secretary of education and her team, which will likely be a very good team come in, will give them wind in their sails to at the very least get the federal government out of the way of those state-based reforms. That's like hitting a single in a baseball game.

in the aggregate as the new administration comes in and the new secretary of education and her team, which will likely be a very good team come in, will give them wind in their sails to at the very least get the federal government out of the way of those state-based reforms. That's like hitting a single in a baseball game.

A double or a triple that would score a couple of runs would be eliminating some of the education programs. The Grand Slam would be eliminating the department entirely for the purpose of improving education in this country. We believe at Heritage there is a strong correlation between the 45-year history of the U.S. Department of Education and declining educational attainment.

A double or a triple that would score a couple of runs would be eliminating some of the education programs. The Grand Slam would be eliminating the department entirely for the purpose of improving education in this country. We believe at Heritage there is a strong correlation between the 45-year history of the U.S. Department of Education and declining educational attainment.

That's the kind of thing that would be one of the great policy victories of the Trump administration.

That's the kind of thing that would be one of the great policy victories of the Trump administration.

I think that it's as likely as it's ever been. It is probably a jump ball. And I think if it does happen, obviously it must include legislation. Heritage is very clear about that. And that legislation is likely because of politics, but maybe also because of good old-fashioned prudence.

I think that it's as likely as it's ever been. It is probably a jump ball. And I think if it does happen, obviously it must include legislation. Heritage is very clear about that. And that legislation is likely because of politics, but maybe also because of good old-fashioned prudence.

to include an incremental approach to this in much the same way that as I was coming of age as a college student conservative during the Clinton presidency, credit to him and the House and Senate conservatives for passing welfare reform. That's the model. The problem was it only went one step. because of politics.

to include an incremental approach to this in much the same way that as I was coming of age as a college student conservative during the Clinton presidency, credit to him and the House and Senate conservatives for passing welfare reform. That's the model. The problem was it only went one step. because of politics.