Keyu Jin

And there's a saying in China that you just don't want to be the tallest tree, right?

The tallest tree gets the most wind.

So I don't agree at all with the Western conclusion that this anecdote, this story has meant that entrepreneurs don't want to be entrepreneurs anymore.

The young kids don't aspire to be people like Jack Ma.

That's not true at all.

The incentives are still there.

It's a different kind of rich elite class in China.

Absolutely.

Don't be too outspoken.

Don't try to get too much attention and too much influence.

And just, you know, again, it's a cultural thing, but just keep your head down, be humble, you know, contribute to society, do philanthropy, work, collaborate with the government, and you're kind of okay.

Yeah, stay out of politics.

But I just want to say, that said, Jack Ma was really an emblem of extreme success for China.

And the Chinese entrepreneurs look up to him.

That's really important.

It was a signal that unfortunately was misconstrued by the side and by also outside world.

But it's laid a different path for what these entrepreneurs should be doing.

That's by choice.

No, he's an extremely fascinating character, which, you know, and if he were in the US, he'd thrive.

Funny, witty, smart, wise, creative, loves a good life.