Kieran Kunhya

But that means that so many dependencies are outside.

And if you also look at FFmpeg per se, FFmpeg also is integrating third-party libraries like x264, but LibOpus, and so many others, right?

So we all depend on each other.

VLC 1.0 was out on those times, 2009, 2010.

And this is where it exploded.

The fact, though, it's just like all the codec packs are FFmpeg inside VLC, plus we have other modules for all the type of codecs.

Kostya Shishkov.

What's the GoToMeeting?

So let's talk about this codec.

amazing Ukrainian guy called Kostya, who was at the time living in Germany and who was in love with Sweden, right?

And the guy was the most... He's like...

Like a lot of the people in the community are very clever.

He's one of those who are like borderline geniuses, right?

He was able to reverse engineering extremely complex codecs.

And he does that.

And we do a bit of engineers with Kiran, but clearly not at this level.

He reverse engineered binary blobs, which are 20 megabytes.

And did that for fun, right?

And so GoToMeeting was a big problem with VLC because that was like the number one feature request for a long time, so I put a bounty.

And the guy at some point said, okay, JB, I'm going to do it.