Kim Anami

They get to this place where they don't care what other people think about them.

And that is one of the most important things you can have, especially as a leader and to speak out and make your opinion known and take an unpopular stance, be a pioneer in something.

If you're a trailblazer, you're saying things that people haven't said before, you're doing things that they haven't done before, you need an element of courage.

And if you don't have that, you won't take those chances, right?

So you have to be willing to be that fool in a way, right, who steps out off of the cliff and trusts that I know my truth so well that the universe is going to support me.

And if it doesn't, it doesn't matter because I know I have to live my truth.

All cultures.

I don't think there's, look, there might be some Eastern cultures or pockets of cultures where they have a different kind of relationship to it.

But I think the Western ethos, for sure, there's a lot of shame.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, that's a really big one, the Madonna whore complex that both men and women end up buying into.

And it's drilled into us, you know, from the earliest days of our lives.

lives and that mythology of Madonna whore and that separation where women aren't really given permission to be sexual.

Men are given more permission, women a lot less.

They have to go through, I'd say, inner transformation gates of fire to really claim that within themselves.

Not even once?

Well, my experience is that within a family unit, it was more open and spoken about, but less so in a public, casual kind of conversation.

But in those more private settings, there was a healthier relationship to it.

I can see that.

Yeah.