Kimberly Adams

But what tools do remain for European leaders to kind of push back against Trump at this point?

I want to get more to the security side after we take a quick break.

We're going to be right back.

All right, we are back with Paola Tama of the Financial Times.

It strikes me what you said earlier about this link between the economic interest and the security interest that European leaders are having to balance as they think about their relationship with the United States, particularly when it comes to Ukraine.

Can you explain how you've seen the narrative and the thinking shift

in terms of the US-European relationship,

when it comes to Ukraine over the last year of this Trump administration?

Sure.

What are the European security interests here?

Because, A, I think this issue has been pushed a bit to the back burner here in the United States because of our own

domestic issues that we're dealing with, but also, you know, we have different interests.

And this ties into the speech that got Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney a standing ovation at the World Economic Forum, that there maybe needs to be a bit of a global realignment, that there's been a rupture in how the United States is playing its hand on the global stage, and that there maybe needs to be a rethinking of how some of the rest of the countries of the world

interact with each other.

Can you talk about how that speech landed in Europe and also whether or not, you know, European countries are thinking differently about sort of the balance of power in the globe and how those relationships work?

I'm so curious what it's been like for you covering all of this back and forth on trade and the threats and the pullbacks and then it adds and adding in those security layers, whether it's Greenland or whether it's the war in Ukraine.

What has it been like for you covering this?

On top of that, I have to imagine Europeans are watching with interest simply what's happening within the United States.

Here we're paying so much attention to what's going on in Minneapolis and the widespread immigration raids all over the country, the various pullback of many of our democratic norms across parts of government.

What does that look like from a European perspective right now?