Kimberly Adams

I think there are a lot of people in the United States, including folks who are not fans of President Trump, who were glad to see us as messy as it was get out of Afghanistan, lessen our footprint in the Middle East.

And even take on more of a little bit of an inward gazing policy, more isolationist.

And woke up on Saturday morning and we're like, again?

Why?

Why are we getting involved?

And I wonder if you just do you think it's worth it?

Well, thank you so much, Jason.

I definitely feel a lot smarter from having this conversation with you about it.

Jason Marzak is the vice president and senior director at the Atlantic Council's Adrian Arsht Latin America Center.

Jason, thank you so much for sharing your expertise.

OK, that is it for today.

Certainly plenty of food for thought and more conversations to come.

Tomorrow, we're going to do our first Economics on Tap of 2026.

And for the new year, we're checking in where the ball dropped, New York City.

And they have a brand new mayor.

And we're going to chat about that, plus a bunch of other policy news.

The YouTube live stream starts at 3.30 Pacific, 6.30 Eastern.

Hopefully we'll see you then.

Make Me Smart is produced by Courtney Burke Seeker.

Today's program was engineered by John Foche.