Kimberly Adams

And it also plays a critical role in global food supply chains.

And it's that food side of things that we're going to talk about today.

And here to make us smart about this is Michael Wurst.

He's a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, where his work focuses on the intersection of food security, climate change, migration, and emerging countries.

Michael, welcome to the show.

Big picture, what's been the impact so far of this war on global food supply chains?

So many threads to unpack there.

And I want to lock in on what you just said about within a few weeks, because each of those different things that you just mentioned kind of has a different timeline for how it shows up in the global food supply chain.

So energy costs.

Walk us through that timeline and how that shows up in food costs, and then we'll get to the fertilizer question.

Right.

I remember people saying bread is life in some of their chants in Tatar Square.

When it comes to the fertilizer side of it, I think for a lot of folks who aren't familiar with the agriculture industry, they might have been surprised to find that so much fertilizer was coming from these oil-producing regions.

Can you talk about that connection?

You mentioned that North Africa and parts of sub-Saharan Africa are very dependent on fertilizer and energy from these regions.

What other parts of the world are really going to feel this impact first?

And are we seeing any kind of global reaction thus far to this aspect of the war, the way that it's likely or it is already impacting food supplies?

All right.

We are going to take a quick break.

But when we get back, we're going to have more with Michael Wurz of the Council on Foreign Relations.