Kirk Goldsberry

And people are going to see that on defense, especially.

Another thing I'd like to ask you about with this series, both of these teams, post-Trey Young Hawks and the New York Knicks, pride themselves on cleaning up the glass.

And so I think a lot of this series is going to be won in those sort of unglamorous moments where a ball ricochets off the rim

Will Mitchell Robinson be able to do what he's done in big moments and just sort of torture an opponent with rebound after rebound after rebound?

Or will the Hawks win that battle?

And I think what you said at the beginning of the segment bears repeating.

Jacques is not playing.

Is that correct?

We're not going to see him at all?

I'll tell you the most impressive game.

I saw the Knicks play all year was the NBA cup.

And Kat also gets into foul trouble a lot, all right?

So we know this.

So he wishes they had eight fouls allowed, but they only have six.

And in a world where that happens a lot, Mitchell Robinson becomes very important.

But Mitchell Robinson in the NBA Cup final in Vegas,

Just absolutely deflated the Spurs, that young ascendant Spurs team with what I'm describing.

Just, oh, my God, he got another rebound.

The Spurs were trying to get back in the game, and there were no stops because Mitchell Robinson kept giving them second and third chances.

So I'm watching the rebounding a little bit, too, in this series, but I got the Knicks in seven.