Kirk Goldsberry

So I do think the foul baiting is a part of this too, Bill.

There's your scoring.

I mean, I brought up that game in L.A.

for for a reason that had 66 foul calls, 84 free throws.

The game lasted two hours and 54 minutes.

So that's it is a big it's the best place to score on the free throw in the basketball game is the free throw line, according to D. Smith.

So, yeah, like that explains the general scoring uptick since last year.

Is this in like one of the other stats I had in the piece was.

There were just seven teams that committed over 20 fouls per game last year.

This year, 29 teams are doing that.

So everybody's doing that.

And my question to you, Bill, is are these teams suddenly playing more handsy defense or is the rules around contact allowances sort of evolving once again?

Well, I talked to a bunch of coaches about it.

And I think what you just said about the Indiana guards bears repeating.

Because I talked to one coach.

He's like, yeah, every year we all watch the finals.

It's the first time that all the team's coaches sort of watch basketball almost leisurely.

Everybody can watch the finals except for two teams.

And he said, yeah, like...

Everybody saw what Carlisle was doing.