Kirk Goldsberry

I have the East.

And I want to hear what you say because you're the historian here.

Is the 2025-26 Eastern Conference the most open conference we've had in a decade or two?

I don't even know who your favorite is, right?

Obviously, we talk about the Western Conference right now.

If we talk about the East and West in the 2010s, we're talking about Warriors and Cavs every year.

The Spurs are in there.

Or there's clear favorites.

The East is so wide open.

I think at the beginning of the year, hey, it's the Knicks and the Cavs.

And if you look at FanDuel, they still have the Cavs as the betting favorite.

It's still the Cavs.

But we did see the Cavs play in the playoffs last year, Bill.

No, we didn't.

It was, but if that's your, if that's your favorite, I'm fine with that.

I just think there's a wide openness to the Eastern conference.

That's very exciting.

And you have teams like Detroit and Toronto and Miami who are threatening to sort of crash that party.

And you could tell me the Hawks are in that group too, but I just, you look at the West and you're like, okay, this is the thunderous

unless the Nuggets have a postseason run of the ages.