Kirk Hamilton

Right.

Xenoblade.

It's like less than 15, I believe, new 3DS exclusives.

So I think what...

What Joe is arguing is that the PS5 felt lukewarm, comparatively uses the word lukewarm, because the PS4 Pro came out.

And I don't really buy that.

I think the PS5 felt lukewarm for a couple of reasons.

One is that there weren't a ton of exclusive games for it, so you didn't really need to get one unless at launch you really wanted to play Demon's Souls.

And the other thing is that the graphical improvements have not made humongous strides.

And like we mentioned a couple of weeks ago when we talked about the state of consoles,

Red Dead 2 is still one of the best-looking games out there, and that runs on the PlayStation 4.

And the reason I don't buy this argument is because that game looks just as good on the PlayStation 4 original.

Obviously, the PS4 Pro makes it look better, but when you're talking about the lack of graphical improvements, if you compare...

Red Dead 2 running on the PS4 original to just a game running on the PS5, a modern game running on the PS5, it is not a huge increase the way it is from, say, the PS3 era to the PS4 era.

And I don't think getting a mid-gen refresh that lets you run games at higher frame rates and higher resolution really makes much of a difference there, because we're not really talking about technical specs like frame rate and resolution.

We're talking about the actual graphical fidelity and how that hasn't made much of a leap.

If anything, the biggest leap was the solid state drive, as we talked about, and the faster loading screens.

And that really did feel like it distinguished the PS5 from previous consoles.

All right.

Let's get to this next question.