Kirk Hamilton

The PS4 Pro is the PS5, and the PS5 Pro is the PS6 in disguise.

I think there's something here in the sense that these iterations have just made it way less interesting and exciting to get a new piece of hardware because the power increases only so much.

It makes it feel more like phone iterations than console iterations.

I guess the big difference, though, is that

there were no games that only ran on PS4 Pro, whereas there were games, not many, but there were games that ran only on PS5.

Similarly, now there's a PS5 Pro.

There's nothing that only runs on PS5 Pro.

So without that playing into it, you can't really make much of a case as far as different iterations of the console, because at the end of the day, the exclusives are the only thing that separates these things from, like,

I don't know, your computer, right?

And that's why the Xbox has just fallen off, and that's why they're essentially just making new computers, because they've given up on this idea of exclusives.

So it's hard to make much of a case that the PS4 Pro is that significantly different, as much as I appreciate the take.

So there were four physical new exclusive games.

Right.

Xenoblade.

It's like less than 15, I believe, new 3DS exclusives.

So I think what...

What Joe is arguing is that the PS5 felt lukewarm, comparatively uses the word lukewarm, because the PS4 Pro came out.

And I don't really buy that.

I think the PS5 felt lukewarm for a couple of reasons.

One is that there weren't a ton of exclusive games for it, so you didn't really need to get one unless at launch you really wanted to play Demon's Souls.