Kirsten Zittlau

Exactly. So the real issue here is the the ethical. I mean, a lot of us are grappling with this and, of course, fiercely opposing these motions. In that the justification that the DHS attorneys are attempting to use is that circumstances have materially changed since the issuance of their initial case that they're in now. Which, of course, is not the case. Right. Like, whose circumstances?

Exactly. Exactly. Like, the rise of fascism doesn't constitute a changed circumstance. Yeah. So... It's just there's no there's no basis for this motion. And secondly, the only basis like there's zero justification for this other than filling detention centers, lining core civic NGO groups pockets. Yeah. And intentionally prejudicing an immigrant to have to fight their case detained.

Exactly. Exactly. Like, the rise of fascism doesn't constitute a changed circumstance. Yeah. So... It's just there's no there's no basis for this motion. And secondly, the only basis like there's zero justification for this other than filling detention centers, lining core civic NGO groups pockets. Yeah. And intentionally prejudicing an immigrant to have to fight their case detained.

Exactly. Exactly. Like, the rise of fascism doesn't constitute a changed circumstance. Yeah. So... It's just there's no there's no basis for this motion. And secondly, the only basis like there's zero justification for this other than filling detention centers, lining core civic NGO groups pockets. Yeah. And intentionally prejudicing an immigrant to have to fight their case detained.

I mean, right. There's no there's no good or legitimate justification for this period. The end, you know.

I mean, right. There's no there's no good or legitimate justification for this period. The end, you know.

I mean, right. There's no there's no good or legitimate justification for this period. The end, you know.

100%. That's the whole point is this whole administration's, the messaging and their actions are all about forcing people, breaking people's spirits and forcing them into a situation where they feel their only option is to self-deport. Yeah, it is heartbreaking. It's very sick. Yeah, it's very disturbing. It's very, very different from Trump 1.0.

100%. That's the whole point is this whole administration's, the messaging and their actions are all about forcing people, breaking people's spirits and forcing them into a situation where they feel their only option is to self-deport. Yeah, it is heartbreaking. It's very sick. Yeah, it's very disturbing. It's very, very different from Trump 1.0.

100%. That's the whole point is this whole administration's, the messaging and their actions are all about forcing people, breaking people's spirits and forcing them into a situation where they feel their only option is to self-deport. Yeah, it is heartbreaking. It's very sick. Yeah, it's very disturbing. It's very, very different from Trump 1.0.

Absolutely. I mean, I think we can all agree or disagree as far as how we feel about the past four months and what has happened. But I think everybody can agree that the pace at which it has happened is extremely concerning.

Absolutely. I mean, I think we can all agree or disagree as far as how we feel about the past four months and what has happened. But I think everybody can agree that the pace at which it has happened is extremely concerning.

Absolutely. I mean, I think we can all agree or disagree as far as how we feel about the past four months and what has happened. But I think everybody can agree that the pace at which it has happened is extremely concerning.

Yeah, they're they're supposed to give them opportunity to be heard, essentially, and give notice of this third country that they're going to be deported to that nobody and no judge has ever considered whether they have a fear or if they would be in danger or deported to this country.

Yeah, they're they're supposed to give them opportunity to be heard, essentially, and give notice of this third country that they're going to be deported to that nobody and no judge has ever considered whether they have a fear or if they would be in danger or deported to this country.

Yeah, they're they're supposed to give them opportunity to be heard, essentially, and give notice of this third country that they're going to be deported to that nobody and no judge has ever considered whether they have a fear or if they would be in danger or deported to this country.

So again, this is a due process situation where, hey, before you can be sent to some random country, especially South Sudan, maybe you should be given an opportunity to present why you have a fear or that something bad might happen to you over there to a judge. And so this was recently ordered. I believe the case is called DBD versus DHS was what stopped the Libya situation from happening. Mm hmm.

So again, this is a due process situation where, hey, before you can be sent to some random country, especially South Sudan, maybe you should be given an opportunity to present why you have a fear or that something bad might happen to you over there to a judge. And so this was recently ordered. I believe the case is called DBD versus DHS was what stopped the Libya situation from happening. Mm hmm.

So again, this is a due process situation where, hey, before you can be sent to some random country, especially South Sudan, maybe you should be given an opportunity to present why you have a fear or that something bad might happen to you over there to a judge. And so this was recently ordered. I believe the case is called DBD versus DHS was what stopped the Libya situation from happening. Mm hmm.

where, yeah, a judge said, this is exactly what needs to occur. These people need to be given real notice, not this whatever has been, you know, and an opportunity to be heard. And then, yeah, they immediately thereafter attempted to, as you said, or I think, I don't know if they actually accomplished it with South Sudan.